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Tufor (talkcontribs)

Don't want to start an off-topic discussion on Phabricator (phab:T212808) so let us continue this discussion here (link on your page in Phabricator led me here).

To be quite honest, between May 2017 and November 2018 I didn't have admin rights (click), so I cannot tell myself. But there's been this discussion on plwiki, which hints that the problem with our local gadget was caused by the OOUI change and hasn't been really fixed ever since. To clarify: I am not claiming that that OOUI change caused the TypeError I mention in phab ticket, just that our local gadget stopped working.

And I am not a fan of OOUI at all. Wherever I could, I have disabled any sorts of fancy looking "improvements", which, for me personally are downgrades. I have disabled this on RecentChanges, Watchlist and Search. I would disable it anywhere else as well, but I unfortunately cannot. There should be an option in Preferences to turn off OOUI look and just use plain html forms, as it was before. I am one of those veteran editors; I've been here (in and out admittedly) for 15 years (10 on this account) and I got used to the "old look". As one of plwiki's technicans I am not against changes so to say, I am against changes that are completely unnecessary. OOUI forms are taking more space on the screen than their plain html "counterparts". These widgets are also taking some time to load, which really pisses me off.

All I ask for is, give me the ability to choose. Best wishes for this New Year, tufor

Tufor (talkcontribs)

great talking to you to, buddy

Volker E. (WMF) (talkcontribs)
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CreativeC (talkcontribs)

Hello, I have questions:

  • Will you make an update of the Vector skin to remove the awful blue bar between sidebar and page content, the blue of the of the source editor, all non-flat icons, gradients and other ?
  • Will the Design team make a graphic chart like the material design of Google ?
  • Could the Design team propose new logos for sister projects with the blue red and green (Especially for Wikispecies' logo wich looks so old) ? ( I made some tries but it's missed)


Volker E. (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi Archi38,

trying to respond as clearly as possible and pointing out the different dependencies, but first of all explain what's the best process to raise those.

You might want to join Phabricator (We manage our projects, tasks and bugs on Phabricator.) and repost your questions as laid out on our site. There it gets more attention and usually the right respondents in comparison to a talk page like this.

Log in to Phabricator with your MediaWiki login credentials to be involved in the design quests. Please tag your tasks with "Design".

Regarding your questions:

  • Vector has come quite a way for a few years now, it's addressing a lot of needs collected over time in one place. And besides some of the things are historically “grown”, we try our best (with limited resources) to go with modern best practices for all kinds of users (right-to-left languages, keyboard-only users, users with visual impairments and so on). So some of the things you're mentioning we might be aware of, some of them we might have chosen for a good reason even if the reason might not be fully clear upfront to everybody. Again, Phabricator is a good place to start a conversation on shortcomings from your point of view and why you think that they are not optimal as they are. On the other hand you always have the option as logged-in user to customize your user experience with help of user stylesheets or JavaScript modifications.
  • First I need to ask further: What would you expect from such a graphic chart to help your work?
  • The Design team could propose new logos, but currently (again: limited resources) we don't have it planned as one of our priorities for the upcoming months. I will forward your logo page to the Communications team, so that they are aware of the critique and the work taken.

Best! V

CreativeC (talkcontribs)

Thank you,

  • I'll use the Phabricator. But it is not written if we can make concensus on it or not.
  • For the graphic chart, it would be something really complete about all on-wiki content, pages formatting, template design, Mediawiki: messages design, ect.
  • Thank you to show them my (horrible) work ! I think it's really important to bring the 3 colors to all the logos, especially for Wikipedia wich is the most-known project, because people could clearly identify Wikimedia's projects.
Quiddity (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Archi38, re: logo color, this issue has been discussed in the past, for example in the Wiktionary logo votes in ~2006. It was determined then, that having all the logos use the same color schemes, would be confusing; see example at w:de:Benutzer:Julian~dewiki#Test on logos. See also, these discussions (m:Discussion_on_the_logo_votes#The_Color_Complication and m:Talk:Wiktionary/logo/archive-vote-4#Changing_colors), in particular this comment: "the only thing we can do is to ensure that newly chosen logos harmonize [with] the others but don't look all the same". See also m:Logo#Logo_guidelines "It must be substantially different from the other project logos but still harmonize with the others.". HTH.

(Sidenote: There's a not-completely-serious compilation of these types of alternate logos, compiled at m:Red, green, and blue, which might amuse you. My volunteer account has added your designs, there.).

CreativeC (talkcontribs)

I still think that it would be better ^^. And thank you for adding them in red green and blue, I've already seen the page. Thank you for all !

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Question about mw-ui-constructive and mw-ui-progressive buttons

CabbagePotato (talkcontribs)

Hi Volker, I noticed that phab:T110555 had been assigned to you, so I assumed you were the best person to ask this question to:

After the mw-ui-constructive (green) buttons had been turned to mw-ui-progressive (blue), I noticed that, when a button created with w:en:Template:Clickable button 2 (which uses the mw-ui classes) links to the page it is on, the mw-ui-progressive buttons are a darker shade of blue (which is normal); however, the mw-ui-constructive buttons are a darker shade of green with a blue border. Is this intentional? (See w:en:User:CabbagePotato/sandbox2 for a demonstration.)

Volker E. (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hi CabbagePotato

Thanks for reaching out to me about this bug and for your demo. We've already received a message (from another user?) on the Phabricator task. The problem seems that the while using an inline style declaration applying the wrong shade of green to the background, the template is protected and we therefore have currently no possibility to change the green.

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