Thó-lūn ia̍h-bīn tsu-sûn 2019/Tsham-ka thuân-thé pò-miâ
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Participant groups are a critical part of the "hub-and-spoke" structure of the 2019 Talk Page Consultation. The primary project page on this wiki, MediaWiki.org, will be the centralized "hub" for the entire process. To allow for different types of Wikimedians to share their thoughts, we want everyone to be able to talk about wiki discussion systems in their primary language in an environment where they feel comfortable.
- What is the name of the participant group?
- A formal or informal name to identify the participant group. This can be an existing name (such as an affiliate name or WikiProject name) or an new name just for this consultation.
- Which language?
- The participant group should discuss talk pages in whatever language they feel most comfortable. The final report will however be done in English.
- Which user will be the primary contact?
- Participant groups can be as large or small as they decide, but each group needs one (or two users) to coordinate the group with the central talk page consultation here on MediaWiki.org.
- This user needs to read and write English. We will be in regular contact with this user to make the process as easy as possible.
- This user commits to treat all feedback and opinions equally, and take them into account in the final report.
- How will you consult your group?
- For some groups this may be on their home wiki, others may decide to discuss on another website (such as a social network, as many communities already do), while others may want to talk in-person, such as at an edit-a-thon.
- Where will you document your discussions?
- For conversations that happen on-wiki, please provide a link to the discussion. Setup a separate page on (biggest) wikis may help to track all the feedback. For conversations that happen off-wiki, please provide a link to a written summary of the discussions. These can be in your preferred language, and we will coordinate translations later.
Tē-2 kai-tuānn
- In its second phase, the consultation is focusing on conversation around trade-offs. Community summaries for Phase 2 are due by June 24, 2019. Each participant of the group gives individual feedback related to the below questions:
- What do you think of the proposed product direction?
- Context: The Wikimedia Foundation proposes building a new, clearer design on top of existing wikitext talk pages. It will offer simpler tools for replying, indentation and signatures. You could continue to use wikitext on talk pages, if you prefer that. It should also be possible to participate in a discussion without using wikitext.
- Question: What do you think of this product direction?
- Marking separate discussions
- Context: People want to watch individual sections on the talk page. They want better notifications, archiving, and search. To do any of this, we may need to create a more structured definition of what counts as a single discussion. This may mean making changes to the wikitext conventions on a talk page. For example, we may create a new way that discussion headings look in wikitext, or a new link that you need to use to create, rename or split a thread.
- Question: What are the advantages and disadvantages of that approach?
- Helping newcomers find the talk pages
- Context: Newcomers have difficulty finding talk pages. During user tests, only one person out of ten found the Thó-lūn tab. Most testers looked for a Thó-lūn tab on the opposite side of the page, where all of the other tabs and links are. Many people also expected to see links to discussions about specific sections in the article. We may want to move the link to the talk page to the opposite side of the article page. We might add discussion functionality connected to individual sections.
- Question: What are the advantages and disadvantages of making the connection between article content and discussions more visible?
- Teh tó-uī thó-lūn tián-sī kang-kū
- Context: Currently, many wikis have community discussion spaces in the project namespace (
ProjectorWikipedia:), rather than in a talk namespace (Project talkorWikipedia talk:). The project namespace is often used for village pumps/cafés, noticeboards, and some workflows, such as Articles for deletion. The system will need to know where discussions happen, so that it can display the new tools in those discussions, and not display them on other pages. There are several potential ways to do this. One of them is to move all discussions to a talk namespace. - Question: What are the advantages and disadvantages of doing that?
- Context: Currently, many wikis have community discussion spaces in the project namespace (
- History tradeoffs
- Context: Sometimes, you need to see the history of the entire page. Other times, it would be more helpful to see the history of only a single discussion thread. It would be ideal if we could provide both, but we're not sure how to do that.
- Question: What are the advantages and disadvantages of having a complete page history or a specific thread history?
- Metadata location
- Context: Some wikis place templates at the top of article talk pages. These may show instructions, warnings, or FAQs. They may hold page quality information, link to relevant WikiProjects, or identify past activities. Many new users are confused by finding non-discussion material at the top of an article talk page. It would be helpful to move some or all of that content somewhere else on the page, or under a different tab.
- Question: What are the advantages and disadvantages of that approach? Which templates are crucial for the proper use of a discussion page, and which could be moved somewhere else?
Every participant gives others the opportunity to express themselves: we're collecting feedback, so this is not a vote or a decision process. At the end, all of the feedback will be documented.
Participant groups
Community summaries for Phase 2 have been posted!
Note for volunteer coordinators: please add your wiki to the lists below:
- The first table lists pages that are ready to receive feedback. A banner will be displayed to logged-in users on your wiki, using the provided page.
- The second table is for pages that are still under construction. When ready, please move the page to the first table, so that the link can be used in the banner.
| What is the name of the participant group? | Which language? | How will you consult your group? | Access the discussions | Which user will be the primary contact? | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 中文維基百科 | 中文 | On-wiki, Facebook, Telegram | Taiwania Justo | ||
| 英語維基文庫 | 英文 | On-wiki | Beleg Tâl | ||
| 英語維基百科 | 英文 | On-wiki | Jc86035 | ||
| 法語維基百科 | 法文 | On-wiki | Lofhi | ||
| Russian, all wikis | 俄文 | On-wiki | Sunpriat | ||
| 德語維基百科 | 德文 | On-wiki | MBq | ||
| 荷蘭語維基百科 | 荷蘭文 | On-wiki | Ad Huikeshoven | ||
| Wikidata | 英文 | On-wiki | Jc86035 | ||
| Polish | 波蘭文 | On-wiki | |||
| 泰語維基百科 | 泰文 | On-wiki | Tris T7 | ||
| 捷克語維基百科 | 捷克文 | On-wiki | Dvorapa |
Under construction groups
| What is the name of the participant group? | Which language? | How will you consult your group? | Access the discussions | Which user will be the primary contact? | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 日語維基百科 | 日文 | On-wiki | Bletilla |
This second table is for groups that are under creation. If your group is ready to receive feedback, please move it to the first table.
You can also participate by leaving a comment on the report's talk page.
Phase 1
Phase 1 groups
- In its first phase, the consultation is not a debate or a process to get a final decision on agreeing on what to do/not do. Each participant of the group gives individual feedback, following the guidances:
- When you want to discuss a topic with your community, what tools work for you, and what problems block you?
- What about talk pages works for newcomers, and what blocks them?
- What do others struggle with in your community about talk pages?
- What do you wish you could do, but can't due to the technical limitations?
- What are the important aspects of a "wiki discussion"?
- Every participant gives to others the opportunity to express themselves. At the end, the feedback is documented (see below).
- When the feedback collection ends?
- Community summaries for phase 1 are due by April 6, 2019. Ending the consultation by March 31 may be a good option to have enough time to analyze and structure the feedback.
Participant groups
Already existing groups are listed below.
Community summaries are due by April 6, 2019. We advise communities, especially the ones that would have had collected a lot of replies, to end the conversation by March 31.
We do not advise creating new groups now, unless you can get a significant amount of feedback before the due date.
| What is the name of the participant group? | Which language? | How will you consult your group? | Where will you document your discussions? | Which user will be the primary contact? | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 阿拉伯語維基百科 | 阿拉伯文 | on-wiki, Wiki-ar mailing list, Twitter | Arabic Wikipedia | User:Dyolf77 | |
| 加泰隆尼亞語維基百科 | 加泰蘭文 | on-wiki | Consulta sobre Pàgines de discussió 2019 | Mikicat | I've set up a section in the main community discussions' page to talk about it. |
| 中文維基百科 | 中文 | on-wiki, Facebook and Telegram | 2019年討論頁諮詢 (Talk pages consultation 2019 on Chinese Wikipedia) | Taiwania Justo | |
| Commons | Mainly English | on-wiki | c:Commons:Talk pages consultation 2019 | Jc86035 (provisionally); possibly others | As above. Jc86035 (talk) 14:53, 28 February 2019 (UTC) |
| 荷蘭語維基百科 | 荷蘭文 | on-wiki | Dutch Wikipedia | User:Ad Huikeshoven (talk) | - |
| 英語維基百科 | 英文 | on-wiki | English Wikipedia | Jc86035 (provisionally); possibly others | I've set up a section on the page for users to indicate that they would be interested in summarizing the discussion and would be able to do it. Jc86035 (talk) 14:33, 23 February 2019 (UTC) |
| 英語維基文庫 | 英文 | on wiki | English Wikisource | User:Beleg Tâl | |
| 法語維基百科 | 法文 | on wiki | Wikipédia en français | Lofhi | |
| French Wiktionary | 法文 | on wiki | Wiktionnaire en français | Pamputt | |
| 德語維基百科 | 德文 | on-wiki | Globale Konsultation zum Thema Kommunikation 2019 | Sänger | |
| 印地語維基百科 | 印地文 | on-wiki | Talk to us about talking | Wikilover90, J ansari (provisionally); (Possibly others) | I can be reached via Wikimail or my talk page |
| 匈牙利語維基百科 | 匈牙利文 | on wiki | Konzultáció a vitalapokról és a közösségi kommunikációról | Samat | |
| Iberocoop | 西班牙文, 葡萄牙文, 義大利文 | Telegram group | on meta-wiki, Iberocoop space | Superzerocool | I'm a Tech Ambassador for Spanish Wikipedia, but I'd prefer do this volunteer work on Iberocoop. |
| 日語維基百科 | 日文 | on-wiki | Japanese Wikipedia | Bletilla | |
| 書面挪威語維基百科 | 巴克摩挪威文 | on wiki | Norsk bokmål Wikipedia | Jeblad (talk) | Seems like it is only me on the discussion page, so it will not be much summarizing to do! Jeblad (talk) 12:37, 5 March 2019 (UTC) |
| 波蘭語維基百科 | 波蘭文 | on-wiki | Dyskusja Wikipedii:Konsultacje w sprawie stron dyskusji, Informational page | I plan to make this place also for sister projects in PL or ask them about another place. | |
| 俄語維基百科 | 俄文 | on-wiki | ru:Википедия:Форум/Архив/Общий/2019/02#Консультация по страницам обсуждений 2019 Topic:Uv6uphqn90bxqloh |
Sunpriat | From our old discussions around Flow, you can pick up a few suitable thoughts about communication systems in general: 1 2 3 |
| Thai Wikipedia, Newcomers | 泰文 | on-wiki, Facebook | Thai Wikipedia, newcomers | User:Tris T7 (User talk:Tris T7) | Contact me via sister Project on Meta, Commons, & Global account User:Tris T7 |
| Wikidata | Mainly English | on-wiki | Wikidata | Jc86035 (provisionally); possibly others | As above. Jc86035 (talk) 15:47, 23 February 2019 (UTC) |
| MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group | mainly English | in person at EMWCon Spring 2019 | Talk pages consultation 2019/Program and event organizers | User:MarkAHershberger |
Under construction groups
| Which language? | How will you consult your group? | Where will you document your discussions? | Which user will be the primary contact? | Notes | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 塞爾維亞語維基百科 | 塞爾維亞文 | on-wiki | w:sr:Consultatio and comunication Contact me on еn: User:Intermedichbo ср: Корисник:Intermedichbo | Intermedichbo | My name is Milorad Dimic MD. I am a Specialist of Aviation and Hyperbaric Medicine. A place for communication — Корисник:Intermedichbo | |
| 维基中文文史类条目小组 | 中文 | on-wiki | User:Daniel J Zhao | |||
| Bulgarian Wikipedia / Българската Уикипедия | 保加利亞文 | on-wiki | TBC | User:Dreamsparker | My name is Preslav Yankov and I would wish to help with all my knowledge to the development of Wikipedia. | |
| 孟加拉語維基百科 | 孟加拉文 | on-wiki, Facebook and Discord discord .gg/JSD9EXP | Talk pages consultation 2019 | PromiseKun | ||
| English Newcomers | 英文 | on-wiki and Instagram (additional) | English Wikipedia, newcomers | User:Manupriy Ahluwalia (talk) | I've set up a section for this purpose on my Talk Page.For Instagram you can contact me on @manupriy.User:Manupriy Ahluwalia | |
| 豪薩語維基百科 | 豪薩文 | on-wiki | Talk pages consultation 2019 | Em-mustapha | ||
| 信德語維基百科 | 信德文 | on-wiki, Facebook and Instagram (additional) | Sindhi Wikipedia, existing & newcomers | User:JogiAsad ; (Possibly others) | I've set up a section for this purpose on Sindhi Wikipedia.For Instagram you can contact me on @Sindhi_Wikipedia_Official.User:JogiAsad |
This second table is for groups that are under creation. If your group is ready to receive feedback, please move it to the first table.
If your community is not listed above, please go to the top of the page to find the information about creating a consultation group.