Talk:Talk pages project/Replying

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The team would value any thoughts and/or questions you have about this new tool for Replying to specific comments on talk pages.

Replying to an indent below a bullet

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Mike Christie (talkcontribs)

I just tried replying to an indent below a bullet, expecting an additional indent. This was the result -- I would have expected an additional indent. Is this the intended behaviour?

Matma Rex (talkcontribs)

Usually an additional indent would be added – I think the tool becomes confused because there's no signature after the previous comment ("More generally…"), and it treats both paragraphs ("More generally…" and "Looking over your question…") as a single comment with incorrect indentation, and guesses wrong how to indent the reply.

Mike Christie (talkcontribs)

It's quite common to see indented responses without signatures; two of the reviews I've posted on en-wiki recently were with editors who did not sign each indented response. I think it would be worth trying to make the tool handle this situation. The workaround is easy, at least; I can see the indent level and just add a colon.

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Jeff G. (talkcontribs)

This feature is eating my pasted-in nowiki tags, making me look idiotic, and forcing me to compensate with edits like this. Please stop it from doing so.

Billinghurst (talkcontribs)

nowiki is so ugly anyway, you can always change your practice to use c:template:tlx

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

Template:Yo Using a template is OK if one never posts at a different wmf-wiki. However, if you ever try to use the same template on a different wiki, it will most likely end with an error. Just a thought.

Jeff G. (talkcontribs)
Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

Hi Jeff G., yes I know that the template does not work here (it produces a red-link). I just thought it would be a good illustration of why it is better not to rely on using templates at all. At least until there is a coordinated effort to standardize templates across the wmfverse.

As far as user:Billinghurst being notified of my response, this reply button was supposed to take care of that, I think.

Jeff G. (talkcontribs)

I was trying to quote exactly.

Matma Rex (talkcontribs)

Can you provide more detail on how that edit happened, or even better, instructions to reproduce it? (e.g. where you copy-pasted it from, and did you switch editing mode at any point?) It should not be eating anything pasted-in, and especially not in the source mode.

Jeff G. (talkcontribs)

I drafted in my Clipboard app, pasted (like normal in source editing mode in Puffin Browser Pro) into a reply, tapped "Reply", and the nowikis were gone, so I had to replace them in source editing mode.

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

Just some feedback to the developers:

I just used nowiki tags on a talkpage at commons, and it seemed to work! The problem for me is moving from wiki to wiki with a totally different framework of talkpage behaviours. i feel like a guinea pig and it slows down my volunteer efforts to add to content.

For example: Here I do not have a Preview whereas the tool I just used on commons allowed me to preview before publishing

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

I just used the reply button at wikivoyage where a preview DOES exist, but I cannot make any changes to my text there unless I go into old-fashioned wikitext mode (I have no preview here so lets hope I will not need to edit this)

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

Another problem I have with using this talk tool (does it have a name? is it Pages project?) is that my comments do not show up on my Global contributions. I have noticed this strange behaviour months ago, but could not figure out who or where to provide feedback, and by the time I visit this wmf-wiki again, i'll probably forget about this posting.

I hope someone can make sense of my garbled feedback.

Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

Where do you see "my Global contributions"? The name is "Structured Discussions", formerly "Flow", and it is not really the thing people are discussing on this board.

Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)

Matěj Suchánek: "Global contributions" is a link you can click at the bottom of your contributions page on any wmf-wiki. Is that what you were asking? For example, to see your own global contributions click the link "Příspěvky jinde" on your "Příspěvky uživatele" page

Jeff G. (talkcontribs)
Ottawahitech (talkcontribs)
Matěj Suchánek (talkcontribs)

I believe they mean the tool we are all using right now here for discussion. Which, as I wrote, isn't what should concern us right now here.

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"reply" added to automated edit summary

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Jura1 (talkcontribs)

"reply" seems a bit odd when one adds to one's own comment.

Just noticed that I could manually override it for a comment, but I might as well never want to fill "reply" (the automated edit summary should do).

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Jura1 (talkcontribs)

Personally, I find the feature useful to comment in any discussion, not specifically to reply to another users comment.

Discussions in Wikidata:Property_proposal/Overview are mostly un-indented (or prefixed by "*") .. would be nice have a way to use it there too.

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Preocupante (talkcontribs)

Hi, I don't know if this is the place to report the issue, but there's a small problem with the Spanish translation. It shows the following when replying:


Al hacer clic en «Responder» aceptas de manera pura y simple nuestros términos de uso y aceptas, irrevocablemente, liberar tu texto {{PLURALunder the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and GFDL.


Note the {{PLURAL and English text. This appears under the edit summary input box when replying to a comment. This issue is happening right now at the Spanish Wikipedia.

Ciencia Al Poder (talkcontribs)
PPelberg (WMF) (talkcontribs)
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Reply tool duplicated block indent template used above it

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Summary by Whatamidoing (WMF)
Gonnym (talkcontribs)

I replied to a post which had a block indent template and it duplicated that template. See dif

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

It sounds like a fix is on the way, but I'm not sure exactly when it will reach the wikis.

Matma Rex (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the report. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the fix for T289873, which I'm already working on, should fix this problem as well. (They don't obviously seem alike, but it's actually a similar structure on the page, where a comment is partially generated by a transclusion.) I'll post some details on the task and ensure that we test this case afterwards.

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Does not work well with {{outdent}} and other templates

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ExcarnateSojourner (talkcontribs)

On Wiktionary I tried to reply to the first comment in a deep thread. Another editor had used the outdent template part way through the thread to push future replies to the left side. My reply was placed immediately before the template (diff), rather than at the end where I had intended. (Correction diff for clarity.) I have found a similar problem with Wiktionary's look template.

I don't know how possible this would be to fix, but it was a problem I noticed.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Thank you for the note, and especially for the "correction diff". It made clear what should have happened.

Do you remember which of the many [reply] buttons you clicked in that section? (If you remember, then giving me the time/date closest to it is probably the most efficient way to identify it.)

ExcarnateSojourner (talkcontribs)

Yes, I clicked the very first one in the section (2021-10-05T11:39).

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Tenplate:Outdent breaks Reply tool

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Summary by NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh

Seems that reloading the page helps. Nevermind.

NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talkcontribs)

Hi, it seems that putting this template at the start of comments cause Reply tool to malfunction. Please fix it. Thanks in advance.

Reply tool now at German-language Wikipedia

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Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Copied from the project page:

Where can I read about the conversation with German users? The tool is running in the German-language wikipedia already, but does not work and is not really needed on all pages by default. How can I remove that from my site? --Maimaid (talk) 13:11, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Grüß dich, @Maimaid.

The Reply tool ("[antworten]") was enabled for all editors at the German-language Wikipedia on Monday. The Reply tool is one result of the Talk pages consultation 2019. It has been discussed many times at the German-language Wikipedia. Today, the active conversations are at Wikipedia Diskussion:Kurier and Wikipedia:Fragen zur Wikipedia.

If you don't want to use it, you can turn it off. Just go to w:de:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion and turn off "Schnelles Antworten aktivieren".

Maimaid (talkcontribs)

Oh, I didn't know that it has been discussed at the German-language WP. As to me, it was a complete surprise, which I don't need. There was no "warning" before and there is no explanation about the functions to be found. And on some pages it does not even work properly. Nevertheless, thank you for your kind words and explanation. Best regards, Maimaid

Lustiger seth (talkcontribs)

gudn tach! (hi)
this feature is soo great! i instantaneously loved it! whoever wrote it: thanks a lot! :-)
I guess and hope that it will help especially new users and lower the barrier to entry. -- seth (talk) 23:59, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Grüß dich, Lustiger seth. Es freut mich, dass es dir gefällt.

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User search improvements

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Sdkb (talkcontribs)

When mentioning a user, the tool makes it quite easy to find a user who has commented earlier in the discussion, but every so often I want to mention someone else, and the search suggestions returned for that are quite poor. It'd be nice if active users on the project were given priority over a doppelganger account blocked in 2010.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The Editing team was talking about this recently. I think several suggestions have been made, including:

  • Unblocked users > blocked users
  • Active users > inactive users
  • People who previously edited that talk page > people who have never edited that talk page

It might also be possible to use the search algorithms, which I believe emphasize the more popular pages (so if you type "Robin", you get suggestions of Robin, Robin Williams, and Robin Hood, rather than a purely alphabetical list).

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Some of the potential problems are discussed in phab:T277357.

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