Talk:Talk pages project/Replying

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The team would value any thoughts and/or questions you have about this new tool for Replying to specific comments on talk pages.

Usedtobecool (talkcontribs)

With Enterprisey's reply-link, if you needed to sign before the end, you could, and the tool wouldn't sign again. I can't find a way to achieve that with this one. Is there?

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118.210.119.122 (talkcontribs)

It’s nice how this tool makes it easy to reply in the middle of a buried thread, but that is the sort of reply that may need to ping. ~~~~

StarshipSLS (talkcontribs)

It is very easy to ping, just write @ and then search for the username you want.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Pinging might be less popular if Talk pages project/Notifications are turned on by default for everyone, especially if they auto-subscribe people to every conversation.

Martina Nolte (talkcontribs)

Agree. Should be easier to ping a specific person. @ doesn't work in all skins.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)
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Tacsipacsi (talkcontribs)

The screenshot shows this topic (and not dewiki), which uses StructuredDiscussions, not DiscussionTools (of which the reply tool is part of). StructuredDiscussions allows pinging users in both visual and source modes (using a toolbar button), but the @ keyboard shortcut seems to work only in visual mode.

Martina Nolte (talkcontribs)

@Tacsipacsi I think you're right. I am editing Wikipedia the good old way in source mode. I can use the mention icon on the toolbar instead. That's fine with me - just saying @ doesn't work for me. --~~~~

Tacsipacsi (talkcontribs)

Actually, on Wikipedia (at least the English and German one), the @ shortcut should work on all talk pages—StructuredDiscussions is enabled only a few Wikimedia wikis, and neither English nor German Wikipedia is among them. Even on wikis with StructuredDiscussions enabled, you can find talk pages with usual wikitext, like Talk:Talk pages project/Usability here.

Innisfree987 (talkcontribs)

Just to add that, coming from English Wikipedia, I too really miss the feature from Enterprisey’s Reply-link that automatically generated a ping (which you could delete if inapplicable). That was perhaps the greatest time saver because it’s not always easy to discern someone’s username from their signature—at that point I feel I might ask well skip this feature altogether and make my reply in the source code where I can copy-paste the username. Please do consider emulating that aspect of Enterprisey’s version. (Or making it easier to enable if it’s there somewhere and my desperate searching hasn’t been able to find it…)

Innisfree987 (talkcontribs)

And just now my {{u|username}} ping failed altogether, and I did have to go into the source code and re-write it. (Apparently nowiki tags were applied without my knowing?) I wish Reply-link would be turned back on until this could be sorted—I really don’t know how I lived without it!

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

If you're in the visual mode, you can't type templates (partial explanation here). Instead, type the @ symbol (or click the button) and search for the name you want. If you're in the source mode, it shouldn't be giving you any nowiki tags.

Innisfree987 (talkcontribs)

@Whatamidoing (WMF) Like I say, on English Wikipedia it’s not always easy to tell from someone’s formatted signature what their username is; it may show up as something completely different (“Matt” in signature; username Stegosaurus90210). Especially in longer threads where Reply-link is most useful, there’s an excellent chance I won’t know. Put differently, what’s the advantage to taking away the feature wherein clicking reply under someone’s comment automatically formats a ping to them to use if you want it? As a user that’s what’s happened. ~~~~

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

In the current version, if you reply to "Matt", you'll see "Reply to Stegosaurus90210" in the box – until you start typing, anyway. So that might give you a hint in the one case, but it won't help you if you want to ping people from a different comment. In that case, I usually hover over the signature to find out what the actual page name is.

There was a huge discussion at w:en:Wikipedia talk:Signatures/Archive 15 about requiring custom signatures to provide a clear indication of the username. It failed to demonstrate a consensus, but it would have addressed this problem in that community.

Innisfree987 (talkcontribs)

@Whatamidoing (WMF) Thanks for pointing out that the immediately preceding commenter’s username is given in gray; that’s close enough to the assistance Reply-link supplied to satisfy me. I edit on mobile so unfortunately hovering for the other names isn’t an option but Reply-link didn’t solve that either. I have a different mobile issue to mention but I’ll make a separate post. Thanks for helping sort this one.

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LittleGun (talkcontribs)

No, automatically generated ping is not on my wish list. I still think pinging people will be used, but most of my "answers" is not aiming for a person. They are just s general post in a comversaton in chronologicl order. But I am OK with using the @, the "add-user" symbol or just dragging the user name from the conversation above.

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Matroxko (talkcontribs)

Hello, I just saw the reply button on Slovak wikipedia for the first time and wanted to try it, but the whole interface is in czech. It would be nice if it was in Slovak. If there is an option I can help translate from czech or english to slovak. Thanks - ~~~~

Matma Rex (talkcontribs)
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Summary by Pelagic

Couldn't reproduce issue.

Pelagic (talkcontribs)
PPelberg (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Hmm, what you described sounds unexpected. Can you please give the steps below a quick read to make sure I am accurately understanding what you experienced?

Behavior

1. Visit a talk page

2. Copy italicized text

3. Paste the "italicized text" you copied in "Step 2." into the Reply Tool's visual mode

3½. Type something after the pasted italic text, notice that it's still italic.

4. Un-italicize newly typed text, leaving the pasted text untouched

5. Notice the appears un-italicized

6. Press the Reply button to publish the comment you've been drafting


Actual

7. ❗️Notice the comment is published and the text within it was change to be italicized


Expected

7. ✅ Notice the comment is published and the text within it remains un-italicized


Note: I have not yet been able to reproduce this. See https://w.wiki/3EzZ.

EDIT: I've updated the "Behavior" above to incorporate the edits @Pelagic shared in this comment.

Pelagic (talkcontribs)

3½. Type something after the pasted italic text, notice that it's still italic.

4. Un-italicise the newly typed text, leaving the pasted text untouched.

Other steps are the same. I can’t reproduce it either. Works as expected when I repeat the sequence.

PPelberg (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Thank you for clarifying, @Pelagic. I've updated the comment I posted above with these edits. Let's leave this comment open for now and if/when you encounter the issue again, can you please comment in this thread?

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

@Pelagic, have you seen this problem since April?

Pelagic (talkcontribs)

No, it hasn't re-occurred, I'll summarise this topic and close it.

Preview issue on mobile browser

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Innisfree987 (talkcontribs)

I’m a mobile user and on my web browser, the source editor version (which I prefer so I can use templates) is really a bear owing to the auto preview. Instead of the preview updating smoothly, the whole area (source code and preview) flashes each time the preview autoupdates (so, every few characters typed). The strobing effect is enough to give me a headache; I do wonder if it could pose even more serious issues for some users. In any case would be great if this could be smoothed out. Thanks much.

Omotecho (talkcontribs)

Thank you for pointing out, and in my case, happens on iMac as well as I work on mobile mode instead of Desktop mode. Wish we would come up with any way strobing effect stops: At the moment, I find:

  • To stop the strobing effect, I dismiss or close the clipboard to which I have copied word(s); and,
  • I wait the flickering speeds down/manageable/slow enough for me to choose word(s) to copy to the clipboard;
  • I can start working with clipboard again at that time.
  • My iMac uses BigSur 11.6; Firefox for iOS ver.37.
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Issue when responding in a !vote that expects a bulleted list

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Sadads (talkcontribs)

So I responded to the first comment in this conversation, and when I added a bullet ( *) it, instead pushed it one level deeper in the conversation. On many EnWiki talk pages this is a common charachteristic of conversations.

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LittleGun (talkcontribs)

I Swedish Wikipedia there is a suggestion to have the name of the user that is replied to (and who is pre-written in the dialogue) remaining when typing the answer. In the smaple below both 2nd and 3rdAnvändare have replied to 1stAnvändare:

Jag tycker den nya funktionen är bra. 1stAnvändare (diskussion) 1 apri1 2022 kl. 00.01 (CEST)

Ja, den är jättebra! 2ndAnvändare (diskussion) 1 apri1 2022 kl. 00.10 (CEST)
Du har fel. 3rdAnvändare (diskussion) 1 apri1 2022 kl. 00.11 (CEST)

This would make it clearer:

Jag tycker den nya funktionen är bra. 1stAnvändare (diskussion) 1 apri1 2022 kl. 00.01 (CEST)

1stAnvändare: Ja, den är jättebra! 2ndAnvändare (diskussion) 1 apri1 2022 kl. 00.10 (CEST)
1stAnvändare: Du har fel. 3rdAnvändare (diskussion) 1 apri1 2022 kl. 00.11 (CEST)

Personally I do not think it is required, but I am sure you have some rationale and hope you can share the descision.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

I don't think that would work when I'm not really replying to "the person". Imagine this in a more formal vote:



Shall we adopt this proposal? WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:00, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

WhatamIdoing: Support Example (talk) 18:00, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
WhatamIdoing: Oppose Oppose Editor (talk) 19:00, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

It seems kind of silly to tell "me" about the votes. The votes are really intended for everyone.

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Bullets or similar for each reply

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LittleGun (talkcontribs)

More feedback from Swedish Wikipedia (overall positive reactions by the way): As the intendation for new replies is strictly coded to what post it is replied to, including when there is a edit conflict, it has more often become harder to see where a reply ends and another starts, as no indentation is added. (To my experience most replies arent actual replies to posts, more of a general post on the subject in chronological order). A suggestion is to add some kind of bullet to each post. I guess this i not the first time this is suggested?

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The Russian Wikipedia uses bullet points as a "standard" (perhaps half the comments?) formatting method. The Reply tool isn't set up to handle that, but there are some Phab tickets. There's also a request to be able to manually change the "indentation" level (most commonly, back to zero for voting or ±1 for legibility/to overcome formatting problems).

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

How often do you encounter an edit conflict?

LittleGun (talkcontribs)

Quite often. Once a week or something. Mainly in heated discussions, and I am a lot involved in those. I still think it is easier with Reply Tool. After an edit conflict I just hit "edit" and add the colons, or move my post one step up and add colons to the conflictong edit (or just dont care). So not a big issue, for me. But it is hard to separate posts if they have the same indentation, and it do happen more with the reply tool. It is probably as intended by strict rules and intention. But as we dont really follow the strict rules and intentions we somtetimes are surptised. And one of the very few negative reactions have been according to this from a few users. I will check out ruWP, just to see how it may look. I really appreciate you swift answers in the feedback. Thanks!

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Replying to deletion discussions

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Summary by Whatamidoing (WMF)
Timtrent (talkcontribs)

Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Endeavor Business Media where I replied to the original nomination. Unlike Reply Link (Enterprisey's script) I did not get the the chance to reply to the discussion per se, but chose to use intelligent indenting to place an indented reply below the comment left by the editor who nominiated the draft for discussion, at the foot.


I am content with this comment's indentation by happenstance and good fortune, but normally would not haven

You wight wish to set up dummy AfD and Mfd discussions to test behaviour in them. I acknowledge that thsi is Beta.

Timtrent (talkcontribs)

I think setting up dummy discussions may be beyond me!

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The Reply tool currently doesn't let you change the indentation level. The team hopes to add that feature in the future.

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LittleGun (talkcontribs)

Minor bug or strange behaviour reported at Swedish Wikipedia, [1]:

When using <div>..</div> for formatting an entrance, also [answer] is formatted.

When using simplified formatting, such as '', [answer] is not formatted.

Maybe "bug" is a strong word. Some discrepancy anyway.

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