Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements


Some opposes and supports with same argument edit

Moved at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Rollback_of_Vector_2022#Some_opposes_and_supports_with_same_argument

WHY WAS THIS ADDED?! edit

I friggin' hate the new look and it being the default for every project. The old look has become somewhat iconic, and disabled preferences for IPs have taken it away from them. To put it simply: NOT COOL. IPs are people too (talk) 18:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello @IPs are people too. Thanks for coming here. I hear you; although we think the change is positive in general, it isn't necessarily better for each person with their specific needs. I presume you have selected Vector legacy as your default skin, haven't you?
Indeed, the lack of preferences for not logged-in means that this audience can't change the skin they see. But over time, they will be able to customize more and more things about the interface. Is that something you'd like to be informed of every now and then? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree this change makes it useless... would like to see statistics for how many users who actively disable the new look - Salgo60 (talk) 23:20, 10 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've had my account set to vector legacy ever since the new look rolled out, because I also supremely dislike the new look. this has been pretty much fine so far because I'm always logged in, but today vector legacy stopped working, keeping me constantly on the new look, and I've been trying for half an hour to turn it off and have no idea how. I'd just like to be able to put vector legacy back on. Apelcini (talk) 00:52, 20 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello! How exactly did V10 stop working? Aaron Liu (talk) 22:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Originally I disliked the new one but it has grown on me and i now use it 2601:3C0:C100:42C0:5903:DBB5:415F:17AD 23:59, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There were multiple RfCs, and sometime last year there was a an long thread about removing it as default. There more in favor of returning the old one, but the wiki staff just dismissed it with 'you argument is weak' and stuff.
Here was it from last year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Rollback_of_Vector_2022#c-GeebaKhap-20230412125400-Support_rolling_back_to_Vector_2010
Basically they made it and it will bo shoved into everyone's mouth no matter if it is good or not. Tarkalak (talk) 11:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Again, the closers were not part of the WMF, there was even a closure review that also got no consensus, and a ratio of fifty-something to a quite smaller fifty-something is a no consensus. What they did shove is the limited width by default, which was not the fault of the closers. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That url's useless. IPs are people too (talk) 02:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
How so? Aaron Liu (talk) 23:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The comment it links to was deleted. IPs are people too (talk) 01:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I mean, what's important isn't the comment, it's the "Why" Aaron Liu (talk) 13:01, 30 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I like the new look. AX29 (talk) 17:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Same feeling- the 2010 version felt like you were actually reading an encyclopedia. The left side was the "binding" or margin which your brain naturally ignored it unless needed because of the contrast and because it was standard on every page and didn't scroll with you. It wasn't perfect but nearly so. It felt somehow different than almost every other site on the internet and had a kind of timeless, classy feel, which is now lost. The new one increases cognitive load by continually making you glance at the left bar. Now your mental map is constantly trying to navigate two hierarchies at once. It constrains the width, if you remove the sidebar it doesn't use the space and overall it makes you want to spend less time reading because it's annoyingly brighter. Just the slight amount of gray on the side did quite a bit to help. I mean, if this is the new direction just go all the way and add dark mode and make it look fully modern- kids will feel like they're on discord. We'll all adapt but this wasn't an improvement. Much respect and thanks to everyone involved in all sides of the project, so no lack of appreciation. 209.65.187.201 22:41, 2 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You don't have to continually glance at the ToC, and neither did one need to in V10.
You can unconstrain the width with the bottom-right button. If you don't do that, there is grey at the sides, and V10 also used white for the content so I'm not sure why you mean by that part. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm inclined to agree, this kind of sucks. Menus that were previously visible are hidden and the areas they once occupied are now simply blank. The main menu is hidden behind that silly, nondescript icon with three small horizontal bars and the the right hand menu is likewise stuffed away. Prima facie, the interface makes no sense. It's the same regressive UI principle that seems to be applied everywhere now. AP295 (talk) 00:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can move the menus out. To make the areas not blank, click on the bottom-right button to unlimit the width. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know that I can, but what was the point of hiding them in the first place? Even when they're moved out, the page content seems to be limited to a narrow, fixed area in the center instead of scaling to the width of the screen. It wastes a lot of space. Also, (and I know this is a minor complaint and applies to both but particularly the 2022 skin), its high-contrast icons and symbols are generally quite ugly. AP295 (talk) 19:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree that they probably should've automatically unhid the main menu when the screen is big enough. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Big images in user namespace can overlap right-hand menu edit

I hope this is the right place to report this. On dewiki we've noticed that images can block the view of the right hand menu on user pages (see, for example: https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzerin:Zartesbitter&oldid=241381938, screenshot here: https://imgur.com/Uc4kRxA). As it only seems to concern user pages it isn't a huge problem, but should probably still be fixed. Best Polibil (talk) 09:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

move interwiki links to top on main page edit

Is there a simple way to configure this option for a non-wikimedia wiki? I tried changing the value in skin.json

       "VectorLanguageInMainPageHeader": {
            "value": {
                "logged_in": true,
                "logged_out": true
            },
            "description": "@var When `VectorLanguageInHeader` is enabled, determines whether the Main Page's language button should be at the top or bottom of the content. The default position on the main page is at the bottom."
        },

but that didn't do the trick, I still see the interwiki links at the bottom of the main page.

May I kindly ask for instructions on how to implement this change for a non-wikimedia wiki? Lwangaman (talk) 01:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

sorry about that, I guess this can be archived... There must have been some kind of cache that didn't allow the change to take place. It now seems to be working... Lwangaman (talk) 02:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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