Talk:Reading/Web/Accessibility for reading
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Suggestion for Universal design font for dyslexia
editFirst of all, please keep in mind that I am Japanese and that I am only familiar with the situation in Japan. Also, I am not sure whether this is the appropriate place to ask this question.
I believe Wiki should offer an option to use UD fonts. People with dyslexia, who struggle with reading, may have difficulty reading text, and UD fonts can help them.
In Japanese, we can use some UD font such as BIZ UDPGothic[1] for free. --03:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Nalayama089 (talk) 03:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Nalayama089,
- I think this is a great idea! I'm going to forward it along to our product manager for prioritization (: SToyofuku-WMF (talk) 18:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your helping!! --Nalayama089 (talk) 23:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Nalayama089! No worries at all ☺️
- I got some advice that we do currently support some degree of font customization - if you click on the language selector and then the settings cog, there is a font tab that will let you download additional fonts and select a preferred font. While English Wikipedia does support OpenDyslexic, I checked and it doesn't appear that Japanese Wikipedia has a UD font. I can follow up with the team about what it would take to get this support added, but it likely isn't something we'd be able to provide in the short term SToyofuku-WMF (talk) 19:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your helping!! --Nalayama089 (talk) 23:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Extension:SyntaxHighlight
editIs it already a known issue that Extension:SyntaxHighlight does not support night mode? SURJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 12:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
pt.wikipedia Predefinição:Citação2
editA predefinição wikipedia:pt:Predefinição:Citação2 está ilegível no modo escuro, poderão ver nesse exemplo que eu peguei na página wikipedia:pt:Número ordinal
Conferi em outras páginas de wikipedia:pt:Especial:Páginas_afluentes/Predefinição:Citação2 e o erro é recorrente. Estou usando Firefox e Windows 10 isso se manifesta tanto deslogado quanto logado e no Chrome pelo Android. Romerlrl (talk) 17:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Link color in dark mode is faded in table cells with background colors
editSGrabarczuk (WMF), OVasileva (WMF), and others.
Open up 2 tabs with this version of this page and section:
Scroll down to the table. The active player cells are linked and have a background color.
Put one tab in light mode and one tab in dark mode. Go back and forth to easily see the link color fading in dark mode for both unvisited and visited links.
This link color fading lowers the contrast level between the link color and the background color sometimes making it no longer compliant with WCAG AA standards. See:
I am guessing this is a major problem with dark mode. Since to fix it would require dark mode to change link colors depending on custom background colors. Maybe that is too difficult, and too much to hope for.
So editors need to be advised as to what few custom background colors work behind links in both light and dark mode. --Timeshifter (talk) 18:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- In articles, links inside colored columns appear black with an underline, so I think this is only an issue with the documentation - it is not accurately reflecting how the template displays in an article. Since this only applies to articles, I would recommend template editors follow that approach inside their templates. Here is the generic logic for that.
- I reviewed Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Sticky table start and couldn't find any real world examples of articles impacted by this issue.
- See Recommendations_for_night_mode_compatibility_on_Wikimedia_wikis#Why_are_links_black_in_colored_tables for more information on this issue.
- Hope this helps. Jon (WMF) (talk) 19:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Jon (WMF). Thanks.
- I like the black links with underlining. It solves the problem I was seeing. I just wish it solved it in all namespaces.
- The links need to be black in all namespaces that dark mode is visible in. Otherwise all kinds of problems will continue. I have hundreds of user sandboxes over the years. They are linked to various discussions. I need to see the exact same thing in the sandbox as in the article a table ends up in. Same for article talk pages when I am showing table options to other editors. Same for doc and help pages to show table options to editors.
- I added this subsection:
- w:Help:Table#Color contrast of links in dark mode
- It is part of section:
- w:Help:Table#Colors in tables
- w:Template:Sticky table start is a newer template. Since it does more it will probably become more popular than w:Template:Sticky header which is on thousands of pages, and expanding rapidly in use.
- There are many tables with background colors in some cells. Most of them look fine in dark mode in article space.
- In some tables the background colors change in dark mode. That is not a good idea. I think it is a hack to deal with problems in non-article namespaces. For example, see the long table here:
- w:Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Sources
- --Timeshifter (talk) 11:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Could you open a Phabricator ticket for applying these behaviour to all pages using this form (I could do this but more attention is given to tickets not created by me :-)) ?
- I think we could expand this to pages outside the main namespace. I imagine we would need to limit it however so that it doesn't apply on portal or main pages which have their own opinionated logic. Jon (WMF) (talk) 15:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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Jon (WMF). I started this Phabricator ticket: