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Category in Configuration settings

Hiho HappyDog, have you thought about adding a category to all these files? Would be nice for further usage. You can look up Category:Fundamental and create a new one, perhaps Category:MediaWiki foo.

Thanks and greetings from :Bdk: 03:28, 21 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

Hi Bdk. Good idea about the category - I shall add it to the template included at the top of each page. Any suggestions? If not, I'll make something up.
Yes, that will be fine. Hm, dunno, what would be the main phrase for all that stuff? So take this word then ;-) with MediaWiki in front of the category name. Thanks again for your work. --:Bdk: 03:35, 21 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
All the settings seem to be MW 1.5 related, right? So what about Category:MediaWiki 1.5 settings or something close? --:Bdk: 03:44, 21 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
Ahhh, fast communication ;-) Well, do what you like, you probably better know than I do, what is best fitting. But if you add a category to the template, pages may first appear in this category after they where edited again ... just to note, so better be quick. *g* --:Bdk: 03:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
Category:MediaWiki configuration settings :-) --:Bdk: 04:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

A "MediaWiki" prefix on any category in is redundant and makes the category name more complicated than it should be. The site is about nothing but MediaWiki already. Particularly top level navigational labels, such as Category:Manual and category Category:Help, should be well chosen short labels. For example, it would be easy for people to type Category:MediaWiki Manual incorrectly as Category:Mediawiki Manual, Category:Mediawiki manual, Category:WikiMedia Manual, Category:Wikimedia Manual and Category:Wikimedia manual and people will. So simply, clearly and unbreakably Category:Manual will work better for the large and varied community this site enjoys. Simplicity doesn't break as easily -- Category:Manual, Category:manual, category:manual, category:Manual all just work. I don't have the power to arbitrate this but I feel it is important that this kind of robust simplicity be part of's labeling and navigational structure. Hope this helps :-) --Rogerhc 05:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)Reply


...Just checked the history - I guess you want to keep this for some reason... – Yes, I did, but deletion was ok now, I've just forgotten those pages. To store them a while was just the best method to get rid of that funny vandal ... showing him, that it's not annoying me at all *g* ... some kind of self-mockery like the move comments in december [1]. --:Bdk: 11:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)Reply

lol - well I hope it worked! --HappyDog 11:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)Reply

Help ...

Hoi, could you please check this to find out which version is really correct? I got confused today ;-) --:Bdk: 05:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

To be honest, I'm not sure! I know the original version had "SMTP Server", but I don't know if the original version is correct, as it came from the page on meta. These are not the default settings, just an example, so I have no way of checking (it is not something I am familiar with). I've filled it with the default values from Mail::factory() (linked to on the page), which may or may not be the correct thing to do! --HappyDog 06:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)Reply


Hi HappyDog, Please comment or suggest on this section of my talk page about preview button if you could. I need some further guidance on this. Thanks! --Rogerhc 18:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Manual:MediaWiki hooks/ArticleSave/1.5

See Project:Current issues#Page Hierarchy. In case you were wondering, I wasn't planning to do dozens of pages just yet ;). Waiting for your thoughts. Thanks. —dto 04:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Interested in MedaiWiki Parser

Hi! I am intersted to parsing MedaiWiki in Java (see last entry on [2]). I have found your page [3], is MediaWiki still working so strange? Would the MediaWiki syntax be so (like different tags for <nowiki>) for ever? I don't know if i am here on the right plase to ask thes questions, sorry if i am wrong. But i guess you are interested in parsing MediaWiki, too. Peter -- 16:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Peter. The MediaWiki parser is indeed a strange beast, and unfortunately it is unlikely to change radically in the near future - or at least Brion (the lead developer) is adamant that any changes will retain backwards compatibility. There is a move to try and document the parser at Markup spec, which you may find useful. In the meantime you might want to try asking on the MediaWiki irc channel, or perhaps post your question in a more public place, such as Project:Support desk. --HappyDog 23:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

mirroring help files

I thought it might be useful to post my experimental help file mirroring script, so it's at User:Sanbeg/ It amy be useful for some context, since it illustrates workaround for some of the shortcoming in the help project. It's not quite ready for primte time, though; mostly because the template & image issues still need more work. -Steve Sanbeg 21:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

How to help with PD help?

I have some experience writing php code and needed some help content for a wiki I am putting together, so got directed here. Is there someone heading up the project that I should talk to?

I am not sure what you mean. This wiki is about the MediaWiki software. If you need help with PHP you should contact a dedicated PHP forum or mailing list. If, on the other hand, you ARE looking for help about the MediaWiki software then you have come to the right place. Perhaps if you asked a more concrete question I would be able to direct you to the right source of answers... --HappyDog 15:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Gah.... Sorry... was trying to write on the the way out the door. Actually, I am looking to help. I was looking for some help content for my wiki and got directed to PD Help for some source, but it looks like there is still some work to be done in getting the exports to work (or I cannot find them.) So I was offering to help, but don't know who is heading up the PD Help work. Any ideas?

No probs :) - There is nobody in charge of the PD help page project, just a bunch of volunteers who do what they have the time and inclination to do. I am in as good a position as any to answer any questions you might have, so feel free to ask. The export process is being worked out at automating help page export, but is not yet live. I think we probably need a bit more content before exports will be useful, and in the meantime both the content creation and export process are moving (slowly) along in tandem. Any help you can offer us would be greatly appreciated. --HappyDog 16:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Branch/release level

Hi Rob,

You modified Template:MW quick download and replaced {{MW stable release number}} with the hard-coded string 1.8. I understand your reasons for doing this - the upgrade is for the branch, not the individual release. However it now means that this is another page that needs updating whenever a new release comes out.

I don't see the problem with listing a point release here. If someone is upgrading to 1.8, they should always upgrade to the latest 1.8.x, so the text makes sense. The link itself always goes to the most recent upgrade page, so they click on the 1.8.2 link and go to Manual:Upgrading to 1.8, which is what they want. Do you object strongly to my changing it back?

--HappyDog 00:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

No, go ahead. robchurch | talk 05:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

URL params

Thanks for restoring that page. I fully agree it needed to be moved to a new title. I have further commented on robchurch's talk page. Tizio 13:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)Reply


Hi, I've been tagging applicable pages that I've come across on Meta to be moved here. But, glancing at the import log over here, there has been almost no activity. Any administrator may now import pages from Meta; do you know if there are any plans to do so? Is there any use in tagging the pages on Meta to be moved? Thanks. Dmcdevit 20:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Dmcdevit. The transwiki functionality has only just been enabled, so you're right there has not been much activity yet. Personally, I am waiting for the 'Extension' namespace to be created so that we can organise things a bit better before receiving a bunch of new stuff, but other admins may step up to the bat a bit sooner. Once that namespace is in place I will start transferring items - hopefully that will happen fairly soon (there is an open bug for it). --HappyDog 15:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
Aha. Well then, the new extension namespace is now created. :-) Dmcdevit 04:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Copying Help Help Page

So where should it go if not in help? I spent a good deal of time on the page itself Help:Copying, making sure it didn't break things, that the steps were simple enough for even the 14 year old installing his/her first wiki. I'd hate for it to go unseen, and help is where it would be found and useful. --Alderin 05:15, 1 December, 2006 (UTC)

OK - I see what you've done here, and it makes sense to add that to the help pages. I was expecting a specific set of instructions, as we are working (very slowly) towards a centralised solution (see automating help page export). Of course, those kind of instructions would be inappropriate to be included within the help docs themselves, but your approach is absolutely fine, and incredibly useful as an interim measure (and I expect that interim to be quite long...). Sorry about my hasty reversion - please add the link back, and thanks for your contribution. --HappyDog 05:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Reply
No problem. I can understand that the open link could be thought to point to just about any type of copying going on. I tried to give the link a more concise text this time. --Alderin 05:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

ISO 8601

maybe you can have a look at

Tobias Conradi 13:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

created ISO 8601. Tobias Conradi 13:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

"Well, anyway, that seems a good enough place for it, whatever it is " - that's the most important to begin with :-) I tried to clarify the article. Esp. "Users can set individually set their preferred date format, but the WikiSysop cannot easily control the default for all." Tobias Conradi 14:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

feature request, hacks, etc

is there a page for them? Where should I put them. With ISO 8601 I am happy. But where to put other things. E.g. if SkipSkins is activated after some users already selected a then skipped skin, one needs to code around it. Where to put this? First as a hack, later as something that could becaome a feature request, or maybe the hack is good enough to be integrated in SVN. Tobias Conradi 20:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

  • Feature requests - Bugzilla.
  • Hacks - no fixed place yet. They are lightly discouraged as they are generally tied to a small set of software versions, are not widely tested or portable and may cause unanticipated problems. Hacks that may be genuinely useful to a number of users should go on either (a) the talk page of the related issue (e.g. if it is an installation hack you might want to put it at Talk:Installation), (b) on the talk page of the related configuration setting (e.g. a hack dealing with compressed revisions might be appropriate at Manual talk:$wgCompressRevisions) or (c) on a new page discussing the issue and offering a workaround - however it is only worth doing this if the hack is presented with full context in a way that would be useful to someone experiencing the same problem. In your example Manual talk:$wgSkipSkins seems appropriate.
  • Fixes/patches - submit to Bugzilla for review.
--HappyDog 01:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
I think it's best to create articles for what you wrote. I'll do so. Tobias Conradi 02:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

now there is

Can this be fixed? Tobias Conradi 02:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure what you mean. --HappyDog 02:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
merging. content is duplicated. if the metastuff comes here I could do the rest. Tobias Conradi 18:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Adding a notice on new page creation page

Hello there. :)

Could we add something like what they have on Meta when you try to create a new page? The default text is "You've followed a link to a page that doesn't exist yet. To create the page, start typing in the box below (see the help page for more info)." but on Meta they've added a box that you cannot pass without reading. Could this be added on MediaWiki too? And do we have that multilingual function (can't remember the correct name, just check my user page on Meta to see what I mean) on MW? That same message could be translated on as many as possible languages. At least spamming users couldn't say that they didn't see a notice!

Here's the code from Meta-Wiki anyway: You've followed a link to a page that doesn't exist yet. To create the page, start typing in the box below (see the [[Help:Help|help page]] for more info). <div id="newarticletext" style="background: white; border: 2px solid blue; margin: 8px 100px; padding: 8px 16px"> <center>'''Attention visitors!'''</center> <center><big>'''THIS MEANS YOU! READ THIS!'''</big></center> This site is for [[Meta:About|documentation and discussion on Wikimedia projects]]. If you are trying to add a page to your company's internal wiki site, you're in the wrong place. Just hit "'''back'''" in your browser until you find yourself back home. This is not the place for information pertaining to the [[MediaWiki]] software. The software has its own wiki at <center><big>'''OFFTOPIC PAGES WILL BE DELETED. THIS IS NOT YOUR TEST WIKI.'''</big></center> </div>

I hope that made some sense. :)

And is the procect to transfer MediaWiki content from Meta stopped 'cause of attribution problems? I just think that it's funny that I find the info about MediaWiki I need on Meta, not on

Thank you for your time. :)

--Sayuri 10:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi Sayuri. We already have a notice (see MediaWiki:newarticletext). Or did you mean that this isn't good enough? Suggestions are welcome - please comment on the talk page.
Regarding the transfer of content, I personally have stopped any importing due to the attribution problem, on the grounds that single-user sign-on is "just around the corner". Hopefully it won't be long now... --HappyDog 01:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hey Happy Dog,

I see that you've decided to reorganise from scratch the category tree. Before you go ahead too rapidly in this process, have you seen my suggestion about including a default root category directly in the MediaWiki sidebar?

The idea is basically that by adopting a standard designation for the root category, it could in turn be included directly in the MediaWiki release and added to the localisation files for proper translation in the sidebar.

Whatever is decided, don't hesitate to drop me a line if you need help for specific tasks in the categorisation process. I usually drop by the Special:Uncategorizedcategories and the Special:Wantedcategories for my contribution to this website but the Project:Categories has just been added to my list : )

Stéphane Thibault 22:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)   TalkReply

Templates "MediaWiki Welcome/**"

After removing of template "Template:MediaWiki Welcome, possibly, should be removed all other child templates - /de, /es, /fr, /ja, /ru ?

/pt, /sq and /zh is still used on these versions of main page. --Kaganer 19:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Done. --HappyDog 00:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

A question concerning your extension

Hello, your work seems interesting and could possibly be helpful on my page.

Is there a way to somehow alias Infobox -> data. What I mean is I have lots of pages in category and each page has a Infobox. I want to add all of these into table and I don't want to go manually through all the pages. Any solutions?

Hi - I have given a preliminary response to this question where you posted it at my own wiki: We can continue the discussion there. --HappyDog 14:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
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