Talk:Phabricator/Help

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sorted out via email

Please kindly delete Phabricator account. Thanks

Please kindly provide sufficient information. Thanks

Is this your email?: aklapper@wikimedia.org

My email address can be found on my user page

If this is not some secret topic, please keep things in public on this talk page. Private emails do not scale. Thanks.

Please delete my Phabricator account as I typed in a wrong e-mail during registration and thus cannot complete registration. Thanks

done!

From instruction its unclear which exactly admin could verify via video call and what is a right way to contact them?

Will be thankful for a help!

@Oleksandr Tsyba (WMDE) Hi, based on the previous verification in phab:T336429 for LDAP, I've also stripped 2FA in Phabricator.

@AKlapper (WMF)Thank you! Issue resolved.

A certain discution on phabricator created frustrations for certains éditors on fr.wikibook. I refer to this task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T316858 and this contributor Utilisateur:DavidL who rite : " due to the phab:T316858 problem caused by the obvious will of premeditated sabotage of this project, there is no interest to continue contributing here on programming books. ".

My knowledge in informatic is not enough to understand the technical issue but just to see than people wasn't happy in the end. Is that possibility to receive here some explaination on basic english ? What's the problem ? Why phabricator can't deal with it ? And why contributor are frustrated ? Thanks.

This does not sound like a topic about Phabricator itself (this help page is about Phabricator itself) but about disagreement how to handle the expensive use of many many many "syntaxhighlight" tags on a single wiki page which is simply not performant. Might be a topic for https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ instead.

Ok. Sorry @AKlapper (WMF). The page about Extension:SyntaxHighlight, but it's to complexe for me. Can you give just me a couple of sentences in human language about it ? This task talk also about the limite of bits that can be included on a wikimedia web page. Is that limit is the same for all Wikimedia projects ?

This is off-topic for Talk:Phabricator/Help as this is not about Phabricator itself; best to check Communication for where to bring this up - thanks a lot!

I am trying to learn how to create and manage Phabricator projects, but when trying to create a component I get  “You can not select this edit policy, because you would no longer be able to edit the object” although I had no option to select the edit policy.

@KSiebert (WMF) Can you please share a link / URL which exact page you are on when this happens? Thanks.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/edit/form/4/ I used the create project link coming from: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/

@KSiebert (WMF) Ah... "Editable By" on that form has been set to "Trusted Contributors" (probably because of past vandalism) and you were not a member of that project. I've added. Could you please try again? Sorry for the confusion!

Weirdly enough, I don't see this option. I only have Name, Description, Icon, Color, Additional Hashtags, Initial members, Source Repo. Actually what I really want to do is to create a project within a group.

Yes, the "Editable By" field is intentionally hidden in that form as folks cannot edit it anyway. But that doesn't make it very obvious either in this case...hmm, hmm.

How would I work around the fact that it's hidden?

I'm not sure I can follow... could you please elaborate what's the underlying problem that makes you care about the Edit Policy of a project? Thanks!

Oh, the problem is that when I get the warning “You can not select this edit policy, because you would no longer be able to edit the object” it doesn't actually let me create the project (component) so that I stay stuck in that step.

I guess there are two options - one is to relax the default "Edit Policy" of new projects back from "Trusted-Contributors" to "Anyone" again (which I'm not in favor of), the other one to improve the error message to explicitly mention in the error message that the custom Edit Policy in Phabricator requires you to also be a member of #Trusted-Contributors in order to be able to create new project tags.

However, taking a step back, do you still see this error message when trying to create a project? Because I hope not...

It's good to have that error message, when the field isn't hidden, if the default is "Trusted Contributors" then it doesn't makes sense as one gets stuck. So I agree adjusting the error message would make most sense.

I was able to create the project now, thanks!

Thanks. I filed https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333955

I would like to change my phabricator username from "Catcrewser" to "TehKittyCat" as that is the name I plan to make contributions under. Me on phab

Done

As sugested @AKlapper (WMF), I'm back to know more about phabricator. Here is my questions :

Can you tell me about how decisions are usually taked on phabricator ?

Is there a certain hierarchy here, or the consensus is always the target of discussion as on many Wikimedia Projets ?

For instance, on pedagogical wikimedia project, if some one want to create a page to put a list of something, that's fine even if the page is not use frequently after. But It look different on phabricator. This plateform is not a Wiki, dus new tag page seems to be created by a specific personne. So;

Is there a user list categorized by right on phabricator ? Something equivalente to Special:ListGroupRights ?

Thanls,

@Lionel Scheepmans Hi, how decisions are taken depends on the task, the type of task, and the project(s) of the task - there is no general answer to that.

For permissions, see Phabricator/Permissions.

Ok. And do you know if there is a place where I can found specific answers for all specific sub questions of my general question? Or maybe that's here? One question by one?

I'm not sure there are always general answers to your questions (if I understand them correctly)... I think in many cases the answer will be "it depends". That place might be here, or maybe also on the wikitech-l mailing list.

Also, we can start with the specific case of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T330600. In this case for instance, how the decision of creating or not a tag for wikibooks or fr.wikibooks task could be done? Consensus? Vote to majority? You are the one who decide after discussion ? Or maybe you have to decide with other persons from outside the discussion? Other phab admin? Or wmf employee? As Wikimedia projects https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights show me the distribution of technical tool and dus techical powers, but not political ones. Do you understand my question and interest?

Basically by discussion and convincing arguments that rule out what I'm afraid of by creating more and more such tags. We don't vote; "wmf employee" is irrelevant here. I'm afraid that de-facto it's "me" currently, though I'd be fine if some other admin said that this is a good idea and goes ahead here.

See especially https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T330600#8647044 why I am worried of categorizing for the sake of categorizing only, plus worried of decreasing long-term commitment to use such project tags, plus worried of people adding such tags just because something happened on a Wikibooks instance though the described problem is not at all Wikibooks-specific. I want to see well-described use cases and commitment before creating more such project tags as they come with a cost: The more tags there are, the less likely someone will find relevant tags anymore, plus things get noisy.

Ok @AKlapper (WMF), I've lived you a message on phabricator concerning the issue of T330600#8647044. For the rest and concerning the governance, that's look more like a consensus without a vote, which is just as well. As long as everyone is not convinced of a task we continue the discussion until the abandonment or the adoption, it is a little bit that in the case taken in example not?

For the rest, have you ever been faced with a situation in which you had to exercise a certain amount of authority due to your status as an employee? And do you know if there a certain kind of hierachy in the governance of phabricator ? I mean, some situation where someone can impose his will in some way? (be free to aswer or not, it's just to satisfy my curiosity as a socio-anthropologist...)

What does "governance" mean specifically? Some folks are admins, some folks have more permissions than others. Same on wikis... See my previous comment.

I'm not sure either what "impose their will" means... again, hard to generalize. I hope my potential "authority" is not based on being some "employee" but arguments and experience.

Ok. So as editorial projects, phabricator looks like a complexe organisation in terme of décision making.

I've not enough experience on phabricator to tell you if yes or not your potential "authority" is based on being some "employee" or arguments and experience. Probably both of them and I hope like you more from argument and experience. Thanks for your answers !

Can you please adjust section #Formatting and markup, bullet #1, to indicate how to notify a user using the at-sign convention, if the user has embedded blanks in their userid? The same thing applies to the Phabricator markup doc page. I tried using underscores as replacements, but that didn't produce a link. Mathglot (talk) 22:33, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

User has not account on Phabricator so it is impossible to mention (notify) him.

Phabricator user names cannot contain spaces, so if they decide to create a Phabricator account, they’ll need to decide what to do with those spaces.

Ah, thanks for that. Could someone please add a link to the #Formatting and markup section, linking to wherever it is in the manual where the syntax of a valid username is discussed, because I cannot find it.

Hi, why I'm not able to log in phabricator and it showing '''Your account has been disabled'''. what i should do? J ansari (talk) 17:18, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I honestly don't remember, sorry for that! I've enabled the account again.

resolved by Aklapper

My bot [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/AnoopBot/ account got disabled may i know the reason for disabling it

Hi, see Phabricator/Bots. Bot accounts should be marked as such, basically. :)

Ok, I won't be using that account anyway, earlier I had lost my account access so I had created phab account temporarily, by the way is it possible to request deletion of that account since there is no contribution from that account

Ah, sure! I've deleted the unused Phab account https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/AnoopBot/