Geofferybard

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I would like to be able to more readily import and present side by side Esp-Eng content. Geofferybard 23:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The export/import functionality treats whole pages only. So, side by side presentation would need to be done manually. Generally, you can present two pieces of text side by side by placing them inside a table, thus:

{| class="wikitable"
! Ayuda
! Help
|-
|
Spanish text.

Spanish text.

Spanish text.
|
English text.

English text.

English text.
|}

yielding:

Ayuda	Help
Spanish text. Spanish text. Spanish text.	English text. English text. English text.

Hamilton Abreu 00:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks.

Another technical problem I have is importing certain pages. (I have importer privileges.) I can't import certain files and I can import nothing from simple->wikibooks. The files that never move are Fukushima Disaster (not exact name) at wikipedia and Chernobyl...I'm not a conspiracy buff. It may be because the file is locked vs. edits. Geofferybard 03:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, page "Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster" at wikipedia, for example, can be exported and imported with no problems. The page is not locked against edits at wikipedia. The exported file won't be locked. So the issue probably lies in some detail:

• What happens when you try to import? Any error message, or anything else?
• Are you exporting just the latest version, which produces a ~400KB file, or the full history plus templates, which produces a >20MB file? What is the actual size of the export file(s) you're getting?
• The wiki you're importing the file into, what version is it? Can you provide a URL to it?
• I don´t understand what "simple->wikibooks" means. Can you explain?
• When you say "It may be because the file is locked vs. edits", are you referring to a page in a wiki or to an actual file? I ask because the locking against edits happens only in the wiki, so the file should not be locked.

Hamilton Abreu 04:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Hamilton Abreu 04:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Reply on importing

Well, page "Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster" at wikipedia, for example, can be exported and imported with no problems.

I have been failing on that page for days. I thought I recalled a lock icon...it's true I just did edit. But the lock maybe just means protected against unregistered or new accounts..

The page is not locked against edits at wikipedia. I will check url.

The exported file won't be locked.

Maybe I can save the history file to the HD and then upload which I can do now at wikibooks.

So the issue probably lies in some detail:

• What happens when you try to import? Any error message, or anything else?

Red letters either cant open file or doesnt recognize five minutes more details.

• Are you exporting just the latest version, which produces a ~400KB file, or the full history plus templates, which produces a >20MB file? What is the actual size of the export file(s) you're getting?

actually importing i am importer on w.books just a user on w.ped

• The wiki you're importing the file into, what version is it? Can you provide a URL to it?

ok five minutes

• I don´t understand what "simple->wikibooks" means. Can you explain?

importing from www.simple.wikipedia.org to wikibooks.org

• When you say "It may be because the file is locked vs. edits", are you referring to a page in a wiki or to an actual file? I ask because the locking against edits happens only in the wiki, so the file should not be locked.

lock icon ...import is supposed to grab the edit history so more than one file is imported also the failed imports dont register in my log i wonder if admins can see them. that would document and prove if i used alternate attribution schemes. also, when i do get successful imports, i get an error page at wmf somewhere but then i look in transwiki and the file is imported

w:en:Fukushima_Daiichi_Nuclear_Power_Plant would not import from

b:en:Special:Import I have imported many other files but not certain ones and nothing ever from simple.wikipedia

another failed import

w:en:Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster about the twentieth attemptGeofferybard 04:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, I exported w:en:Fukushima_Daiichi_Nuclear_Power_Plant into a file on my HD, no history, no templates. Then went over to a wiki and imported it. It went just fine. All templates and images are redlinked because I didn't export those, but the import went fine. I am not familiar with what you mention above as "i get an error page at wmf somewhere but then i look in transwiki". Can you provide a link for that error page at wmf (if it is saved)? What do you mean by look in "transwiki"? -- Hamilton Abreu 04:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

It appears that you're using some special way of importing pages, which I am unaware of. The normal export/import is done by exporting to a file on the HD and then importing that file into the target wiki. Only one file is produced if you export in this way, even if the whole history plus all templates are exported; there's only one file to import, which contains all the pages and versions that will be imported. Maybe this is where we're out of synch... -- Hamilton Abreu 04:50, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

We have enabled Special:Import at wikibooks. I don't know that I have exporter privileges at wikipedia. Do you just mean copy to hardrive or is there a software function specifically?

Geofferybard 04:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Exporting does not require privileges; all users can do it, on page Special:Export of all wikis. -- Hamilton Abreu 05:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Thanks for the reply. If I can find someplace to upload I will upload the error message for to look at. It just says Import failed: Could not open import file Geofferybard 05:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Will this screw up my account?

I saw this on media wiki as an editor for wikipedia thought of using this in wp: importScriptURI("http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wysiwtf/wysiwtf.js")Geofferybard 04:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, pal, don't know that script nor what it does, so I don't really have an opinion there. -- Hamilton Abreu 04:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I am not going to mess with it right at the moment. It is not my idea I got it from this project.Geofferybard 04:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Another techie issue

On some of these wikipedia pages when I am involved with editing them, the spam blot goes nuts and I have to laboriously Find/Replace the bad links which spamblock does not like. There must be something faster than contacting the toplevel bureacrats and asking them to take the suspect urls off the black list buuut beats me Geofferybard 05:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, spam is a real problem. Of course, if one adopts third-party black lists with every spam URL in the world, then that's gonna create further problems for users. These blacklists are best managed on a by wiki basis, black listing the ones that are actually being spammed. But it must be difficult to manage it that way in WMF wikis, due to the sheer size of the user base. So they probably adopt ready-made and often updated lists.

However, I believe that some of the spam blocking extensions allow admins to override the blocks. Perhaps you can ask the admins of the wiki in question whether that ability exists, and whether it is possible to make you admin. -- Hamilton Abreu 05:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Error message that actually means successful import

Wikimedia Foundation Error

Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes.

You may be able to get further information in the #wikipedia channel on the Freenode IRC network.

The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organisation which hosts some of the most popular sites on the Internet, including Wikipedia. It has a constant need to purchase new hardware. If you would like to help, please donate. If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below. Request: POST http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Import&action=submit, from 128.111.96.108 via sq74.wikimedia.org (squid/2.7.STABLE7) to 208.80.152.72 (208.80.152.72) Error: ERR_READ_TIMEOUT, errno [No Error] at Tue, 24 May 2011 05:18:46 GMT

URL ofr the error message

http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Import&action=submit

Doesn't show the errror message just the starting point import page.

But that is what the url looks like when the error message displays.Geofferybard 05:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I believe I get it. I can't actually see that page, because import requires privileges. But from the stuff you placed above (although it is for a successful one), the problem when it fails may be a timeout, i.e., the operation is taking too long, which would indicate that large volumes of data may be the cause of your issue. My recommendation would be to go for the normal process:

1. go to Special:Export of the source wiki
2. write the name of the page to export
3. check the boxes, as appropriate (full hstory or just latest version, include templates or not), and check "save to file"
4. save the file to your hard disk; it will contain everything
5. go to Special:Import in the target wiki, choose the file on the hard disk, and import

This has always worked for me. -- Hamilton Abreu 05:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Well OK I will try to follow the procedure but actually a lot of the fails I see now are many smaller pages as well. There is no rhyme or reason. We have an alternate procedure for attribution. I do appreciate you taking some time for this anyhow.Actually the timeout error message is the pages taht successfully import. That error message is unrelated to the failed imports. For those, I stay on the same Special:Imprt page and get red letters populating that screen indicating the fail. Anyway, I take this all in stride it comes with the territory.thank you.Geofferybard 05:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, sorry I couldn't be of more help. A last suggestion would be to voice the problem in the wiki. There isn't much that people here will be able to do if the alternate procedure for attribution was developed locally. -- Hamilton Abreu 05:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Well yeah. They do a lot of repair to my screw ups and i thought that it would be a measure of good faith to not necessarily just lean on their admins. thinking of filing at Bugzilla is that safe???

FYI here is where all of the work is going: [[[b:en:Special:Log/import]]]Geofferybard 05:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Generally, Bugzilla is for generic MediaWiki development, i.e. the standard package. Wiki specific stuff probably won't get any replies there. But the admins of your wiki would be the best people to advise you on that.

By the way, I did get that the example was for successful ones, though I didn't make that explicit at first. -- Hamilton Abreu 05:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit notices on Media Wiki?

Are you going to install the module? Or do you already have them. Just wondering. Geofferybard 05:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm just a normal user here, so have no idea about that. You can place queries like that at Project:Current issues if they relate to this wiki itself. -- Hamilton Abreu 05:38, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

This is what is screwing up the import

redirect|Fukushima nuclear disaster|the incidents at Fukushima Daini (Fukushima II)|Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power Plant}} is at the top of that page...i did import just a redirect only...if i take the redirect out maybe the import will work but i might piss people off at wpGeofferybard 06:11, 24 May 2011 (UTC)