Topic on Talk:ORES review tool/Flow

MusikAnimal (talkcontribs)

"If you reviewed an edit and realized it's not vandalism, you can simply mark it as patrolled and the highlighting and flag will be removed." – On enwiki individual edits are not patrolled, if that's what this is referring to. I am seeing a lot of false positives, not just constructive edits from new users but also those from trusted long-time users with additional user rights. I want to help by reviewing them but it's unclear how. Thanks!

Ladsgroup (talkcontribs)

Hey, RC patrolling is not enabled in enwiki, I highly recommend you to enable it.

MusikAnimal (talkcontribs)

Right. I'm not sure why we have it disabled, perhaps performance, or lack of consensus, etc. But let's assume it will not be enabled: Does the ORES review tool then make sense? I imagine it's geared around the idea that you can improve the dataset while patrolling, which we are unable to do.

Ladsgroup (talkcontribs)

For several reasons related to science behind the AI tool. I don't think we can gather data from people's patrollings and use it to make ORES better. We have w:WP:Labels which does the exact thing. But we have some changes coming to the tool soon (eta in one hour) that makes things a little bit better. Also we are starting the RfC to enable RC patrolling.

Chewings72 (talkcontribs)

I agree with MusikAnimal. There are too many legitimate edits being identified by the tool. Not really that useful at this stage in development.

Ladsgroup (talkcontribs)

Also you can change the ORES sensitivity to have less false positives. In your preferences

Ladsgroup (talkcontribs)

I added also this note to the main page. Worth repeating here: "Note that we deliberately set the default threshold so low to capture all vandalism cases so false positives are expected unlike anti-vandalism bot that set the threshold so high to capture only vandalism cases (and don't have false positives). If you don't want to see the flag for most edits, you can simply change ORES sensitivity (see below)."

Ex nihil (talkcontribs)

OK, this thing looks interesting, but how can I mark edits as 'patrolled'?

Ladsgroup (talkcontribs)

Great question. In order to be patrol an edit you need to enable it in enwiki (like most of wikis). It just requires a RfC.

Ex nihil (talkcontribs)

Eight months later I am still baffled by ORES and how to mark as 'patrolled'. There is no way that I can see to enable patrolling, its for sysops only. In my watchlist I see edits marked for review, so I review them. Then what? There is no option to comment or approve the edit. I expect that I am being completely thick here but I can see potential in ORES if we can subsequently take some action.

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Jeremyb (talkcontribs)

+1 MusikAnimal.

another example: if an edit has already been reverted then there's a good chance that no further review is needed. but there's no way to remove that "r" or give future patrollers a quick flag to indicate already done.

Ex nihil (talkcontribs)

So, it's true there is no way to edit the 'needs review' status and I have been looking in vain?

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