Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/2024/September

When will the user right become available?

Hello,

This FAQ section is marked as outdated. Is there any update about this, and about this user right name?

Best, Jules* (talk) 22:08, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@SGrabarczuk (WMF). LD (talk) 13:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Jules* and @LD, thanks for the question. The user right is closely connected with temporary accounts being available on a given wiki, so let me answer this way: we are now checking what wikis could be our first pilots. We are looking at a diverse set of small wikis. Almost certainly, no large wiki (like francophone Wikipedia) will have temporary accounts in the coming months, unless an exception would occur. Later this week or next week, we may have another update. Merci SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 13:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, @SGrabarczuk (WMF)! Best, Jules* (talk) 13:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

"Community" blockers

Hi @SGrabarczuk (WMF) & @NKohli (WMF),

Following blockers raised by TSP/Stewards/CU (@Martin Urbanec), I'd like to highlight some key issues for the communities:

There are 3 mains conditions to view IP addresses used by temporary accounts (checkuser-temporary-account):

• User account is a minimum of 6 months old
• User account has made a minimum of 300 edits to the local project
• User account's right can be revoked at any moment.

Linked questions:

1. What does 'Patrollers and other users' mean, given that the checkuser-temporary-account-log right exists?
   1. Does it mean we can create a new group which only holds the checkuser-temporary-account-log right?
   2. Could it be possible to assign this right to larger groups (e.g., autopatrolled) if another group like no-ipinfo is created to prevent access to checkuser-temporary-account? (see below: 2.1, 2.2)
   3. Could a group hold the checkuser-temporary-account-log right (given to Ombuds) to prevent local misuse?
      • If so, under what scope?
      • Signing ANPDP?
2. How should the attribution/removal of rights be handled?
   1. Could a right, such as no-checkuser-temporary-account, could be created to block, ban or topic ban a user from using checkuser-temporary-account right? (see above: 1.2)
   2. Should this right only be assigned to revocable groups, meaning it cannot be granted to groups like autopatrolled where the role is permanent? (see above: 1.2)
   3. If the checkuser-temporary-account right can be granted to a group (e.g., fr:WP:Révocateur), should this group be assigned by the stewards, or can it be handled by a local group?
      • If a local group can assign it, is there a preference for who should do so — bureaucrats, admins, or a committee?
      • Under what scopes: solely Access to temporary account IP addresses + local scopes [if not contrary to the previous one], or in addition to other legal/technical constraints? If so, which ones? See below 5.)
3. Inactivity:
   1. Does inactivity mean that the checkuser-temporary-account right will be disabled, even if it's part of a group, if the user is inactive?
   2. Does it mean the user group (i.g. :fr:WP:Révocateur), which holds the right, must also have its status revoked due to inactivity?
4. About the right itself:
   1. Can the checkuser-temporary-account right be split into separate rights: checkuser-temporary-account and view-temporary-account?
   2. Could it at least be renamed to view-temporary-account?
   3. Shouldn't the prefix checkuser-* be reserved specifically for CU rights? (As it increases confusion between rights and groups)
5. What is the role of WMF and TSP in the community wishes aimed at implementing the change?
   1. Can the WMF reject a community wish or proposal? (I think so since there are legal blockers but I'd details)
   2. Can the TSP reject a community wish or proposal? (I think so since there are technical blockers but I'd details)

At this stage, these questions are blockers for communities, as Wikipilots (and others), need more details to correctly implement this change, or at least start to talk about this. LD (talk) 14:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey @LD, thanks for the questions. Before we answer most of them, I'd like to make sure we understand the #5. What do you mean by WMF and TSP, and what do you mean by community wishes? Are you asking whether this or any other team at the Foundation would work on tempaccount-related wish submitted via the Community Wishlist process? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 23:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@SGrabarczuk (WMF): by "community wishes", LD referred to criterias and process a local community want to use for the right to access IP adresses of temporary accounts (beyond functionaries who already have it). For example: give this access to all users with "révocateur" (rollback) right. Best, Jules* (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

I believe this change will bring a significant transformation in the practices within the communities. I would like them to have a broader perspective on the advantages, disadvantages, technical and legal limitations, as well as the possibilities regarding the upcoming (planned) changes, but also those that might or might not be implemented, regardless of the reasons.

Since communities can partially configure their own wikis, these questions (#5) are not meant to be answered individually and exhaustively but are intended to help guide the communities in shaping their discussions and consultations, and consequently, in formulating their wishes and proposals. For example, as Jules* and I pointed out, it would be useful to know whether a community request (such as a decision or a poll about "révocateur") can be rejected, and if so, what the conditions for rejection are, as well as how the request should be formulated — whether on Phabricator or directed to a specific contact person. LD (talk) 12:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)