Network-charles

Stop copy-pasting content from Meta

Please stop copy-pasting content from Meta-Wiki to this wiki. That form of content moving violates the licensing terms of both wikis. Such content must be imported in order to preserve the edit history. (In addition, moving from Meta's "Help:" namespace to this wiki's "Help:" namespace is problematic, since those pages at Meta were edited under CC BY-SA 4.0 and GFDL, while the ones here are under CC0.) User:Pppery has been dealing with these kinds of page moves recently, so I assume they will want to handle this. (They just got pinged, so hopefully they'll chime in shortly.) - dcljr (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out, @Dcljr.

Though I don't have the user rights to import pages on MediaWiki, @Pppery once mentioned that it's okay to copy codes from Meta to MediaWiki. For example, codes from the php.ini here. I hope this clarifies it.

If you think I should paraphrase the remaining titles beyond the one I did, then I can. Other parts of the referenced diff page aren't a copy-paste, but a paraphrased version. Network-charles (talk) 22:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. OK, I didn't notice these were "paraphrased" versions. Based on a quick comparison of Special:PermanentLink/6661707 and m:Special:PermanentLink/26452170, many of your changes would seem to qualify as "close paraphrasing" of the kind that would still be problematic. (See, for example, m:Wikilegal/Close Paraphrasing.) This is an issue when the license is being changed to CC0. Going through an entire page and simply replacing one word or phrase or list construct by another, but otherwise basing your text entirely on what was already written, and then releasing the result into the public domain is almost certainly a violation of the CC-BY-SA license. ("If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original.") - dcljr (talk) 00:10, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

I did some clean ups. Could you review them and let me know your thoughts? If you are still uncomfortable, please migrate one of the pages in the list or modify the import page to demonstrate, so I can understand your perspective. Network-charles (talk) 05:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

To add the missing context for Dcljr, see Project:MediaWiki documentation on Meta-Wiki. I have been a bit dubious of the extent to which some of the help pages were rewritten lately, and shunted a few outside of help namespace as a result of that. And yes, I agree that examples like

 ; Maximum allowed size for uploaded files.
 upload_max_filesize = 20M

are too simple to be copyrightable in the first place so can be copied over unchanged. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

While I have sometimes used the admin import feature in this project I don't think doing so is legally necessary. Ignoring the PD versus CC issue for a moment, a link should be sufficient to provide attribution - this would follow the same rules as w:Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 22:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. As I said above, I thought these were (essentially) exact copies, so there was no reason not to preserve the edit history. I'm still not comfortable with how the transfer is being accomplished, though (as discussed above). - dcljr (talk) 00:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)