Topic on Talk:Growth/Personalized first day/Structured tasks/Flow

This is nice, but i am a translator rather experienced. How could I benefit from the structured tasks (for example to add a link) to improve any article i see when it has poor links. Briefly said, how to activate this structured task on an article i have chosen by myself ? Would be very useful even for any user. Thanks. --Christian 🇫🇷 FR ⛹🏽 Paris 2024🗼 (talk) 16:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Wladek92, thanks for reaching out, and what perfect timing! Currently the only way to access structured tasks is via the Newcomer homepage (Special:Homepage), however the Growth team is actually exploring ways to surface structured tasks (if they exist) on any article. You can read about the initial project idea here: Growth/Constructive activation experimentation.

The Growth team wants to ensure these structured task suggestions aren't distracting for established editors, but ensure they are accessible enough to help support new account holders who need the additional guidance (or any editor who is interested in accessing the task).

If we were to consider one structured task, like "add a link", where would you expect to see or access the suggestion?

advantage is also that it separates the several 'main' pages (the site one, the user one, the suggested tasks one...). Today it appears when i click on my user name in a tab besides the userpage and user talk page but it becomes rather a common tool like the translations. --Christian 🇫🇷 FR ⛹🏽 Paris 2024🗼 (talk) 07:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

hi and thanks i just enter an original wiki where the functionality exists -> https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Domovsk%C3%A1_str%C3%A1nka&source=personaltoolslink&namespace=-1 and activated the 3 options in my preferences. A bit hard since it is not FR but fr.wikipedia.org has the functionality so that i can explore it. Well for the link, i think an entry 'Structured tasks' just under 'Translate content' or 'Learn to edit' (sites wikipedia) in the sidebar would be good since it is linked with edition works. Then it could reach a page with a tabbed tool bar leading to the operations addlinks , addimages, ... --Christian 🇫🇷 FR ⛹🏽 Paris 2024🗼 (talk) 09:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, @Wladek92!

For older accounts and auto-created accounts (when you navigate to another language wiki), you will have to enable the Homepage in your Preferences. The good news is that all newly created accounts on Wikipedia have those preferences enabled by default, so new account holders are able to access the Homepage and Structured tasks without adjusting preferences.

I'm not sure I totally follow your suggestion, are you thinking there should be a portal to explore Structured tasks that is linked from the "Main menu"? Or are you suggesting that we should add a way to access Structured tasks for a particular article once you click on a link from one of the menus? Can you explain a little further? (Feel free to respond in French if you prefer, we are lucky enough to have a native French speaker on our team).

I assume you are considering how this might work from a desktop device, which is certainly important, and how I do the majority of my editing. But just so you know, the Growth team trying to first think about how this will work on mobile. In other words, we are starting our design process with mobile users in mind first, which may influence how we approach this problem. For example, the sidebar "Main menu" present on the desktop version is tucked under a hamburger menu on mobile. The mobile "Main menu" offers a more limited set of options. Do you think a "Structured task" or "Suggested edit" link makes sense on that menu on mobile?

Thanks again for spending the time to offer feedback while we are at this critical, early-thinking stage of this project!

hi, yes i work usually from a desktop and now fom my tablette but under desktop format and with skin Victor old. I think for technical persons it is richer and very functional. What i wanted to say is we could add a link 'suggested tasks' in the sidebar for example under last item 'Download QR code' leading to the complete sequence of what the suggested tasks do. Today it would be the contents of their 'Home page'. this allows to explore the different suggested options on random articles proposed by the system.

Now when displaying a dedicated page we keep |Tabs Page | Discussion | and we add | Suggested tasks| before |Read|Modify|History| . Thus we have all we can do with the current page. It is the same as Suggested tasks of the sidebar but restricted only on the current displayed page (add links, add image...).

I cannot express myself on mobile version i dont use enough.

Of course these are only ideas.

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback! I'll discuss these ideas with our designer as we work on the associated tasks (T368188 / T370539).