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Unwanted change on Norwegian bokmål Wikipedia. The system is now the default choice if you are logged inn, but it is possible to turn off. The system is not possible to turn off if you read not logged inn. There have been no vote to turn this on. Please turn it off and await a consensus on Norwegian bokmål Wikipedia that it is our choice to use this. There is a discussion raised on noWP, https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tinget#Kompakte_spr.C3.A5klenker_skrudd_p.C3.A5_for_denne_wikien_i_dag . Turn the change off and await a decision on noWP. Thanks, regards. Dyveldi

The user has attempted to start a voting over the feature, but it is now closed as premature. The closed thread is at w:no:Wikipedia:Tinget#Avstemning om tvungen innføring av «Kompakte språklenker». I sort of expect the thread to be reopened.

Sorry for not noticing the voting was closed, and hoping it opens again.

There is still no consensus to introduce this feature as default on nowiki. Please turn it off.

There are no consensus for anything on nowiki.

Well, we do in fact have a norwegian wiki, mainly working quite well. Any lack of consesus might be either implicit or explicit. In this case it is quite explicit.

Well, a majority then. Still no reason for it to be introduced and forced upon the users.

Agrees with user Dyveldi and user Telaneo in this subject. hopefully it can be a optional for logged in users and not a default. This makes it more hard for finding other languages the same subject is written on.

Please turn this feature off as Default. Make it available for users that Choose to turn it on. Hiding information like this is not good.

There are no consensus on nowiki to turn this off. There are although pretty clear indications that a number of users have no clear idea how this feature is used, and even how to turn it on and off.

There was no consensus to turn it on either. Make it a opt-in feature. Not an opt-out.

Nor was there consensus to turn it on in the first place.

It is the usual "nobody has asked me" with the usual drama queens involved. ;/

As far as I've been able to establish, nobody asked anyone in the community (possibly exept one user, Jeblad) about turning this on. This hit as lightning from a clear blue sky.

Why do you continue claiming that I had anything to do with this being turned on? You have been told several times that this is not true! This is an effort by the language team!

I'm not saying you turned it on.

I'm saying that as far as I've been able to establish there were no check done with the community before turning this on. If anyone knew in advance, it seems only to have been you.

Furthermore: you seem to be the only one wanting this and welcoming it as it is at nb-wiki.

I've repeatedly tried to explain this to you, and you insist on claiming it's something else. Please cease steadfastily misrepresenting what I write.

No I'm not the only one. Have you read what GAD said? Have you read what pmt said? Have you read what Floyd said? Have you read what stigmj said? And TommyG, and Ters, … No it is not only me.

But it do seems like the usual IP-crowd are emerging. ;/

I said "seem(s)". I accept you can't do anything but attack and accuse those who disagree.

-.-

Just turn it of. This was never asked by the no.wikipedia-community. There has been raised a number of issues around this new functionality.

For people not logged in, it's not even possible to turn it off. People should see all languages as default. Hiding information is against Wikipedia principles, see Jimmy Wales here https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2005-March/020469.html

That this functionality is turned on default should be rolled back immediately per https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tinget#Avstemning_om_tvungen_innf.C3.B8ring_av_.C2.ABKompakte_spr.C3.A5klenker.C2.BB

moving my reply further down.

No consensus on the so-called voting. It has even been closed, but as I said earlier in this thread I would not be surprised if it were restarted.

Voting was never closed. It was hidden by a collapse function. People voted in spite of the hiding. The collapse was removed 23 hours ago. All of this Jeblad knows very well as it happened 15 hours before Jeblad wrote the above https://no.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATinget&type=revision&diff=16540006&oldid=16539933. Jeblad has written on Tinget 10 times afterward, which is not an unusual frequency for Jeblad and he is known to follow Tinget very closely.

Text from Wikipedia:Tinget (Those that want to read the text should translate it themselves. I completely agree with Stigmj on this.)

Jeg har kollapset hele denne avstemningen av følgende grunner:

1. Først og fremst fordi den går mot hele prinsippet med at avstemninger har et minstekrav til deltakelse (registrerte brukere etc.)
2. Dernest fordi det er ekstremt prematurt da hele temaet og "diskusjonen" som ledet opp til denne ble gjennomført i løpet av en helg. Det er ikke tilstrekkelig tid til at alle kan få tenkt igjennom situasjonen eller sagt sitt før en eventuell avstemning skal påbegynnes.

-- Stigmj (diskusjon) 18. jul. 2016 kl. 11:49 (CEST)

Supporting Nsaa, Migrant, Telaneo, Dyveldi and others (at nb-wiki) requesting this turned off as a standard. Make it opt-in.