I recall seeing a page on meta listing (current) disadvantages of Flow but I can't find it.
Talk:Structured Discussions
Hello,
For the beginning, if possible, answer in French.
In the discussion with this gadget, the red links, if don't created before the message, stay red. And, in the description, if you include model, at a edit of the model, it stay in the version of the publication of description.
Thank you.
Bonjour
Quel gadget ?
Concernant les modèles dans la description, il y a effectivement un temps de mise en place plus long. Une modification sur un détail dans la description, autre que sur le modèle, permet de mettre à jour le modèle.
Bonjour @Trizek (WMF),
Dans ma pdd, par exemple, j'ai un modèle pour le menu. À chaque fois que je modifie le modèle, je suis obligé de supprimer le modèle sur la pdd, enregistrer, le remettre, et enregistrer, sinon cela ne marche pas.
Merci.
Bonjour
C'est le souci que je décris également. Sans aller jusqu'à enregistrer, un couper/coller marche assez souvent.
Il n'y a pas de correctif de prévu pour le moment, car le futur des outils de discussion va bientôt être décidé.
It seems like a good idea for this extension to include provision to allow only users with appropriate permissions to edit other users' comments.
That's the case.
I don't remember the specifics, but admins can edit others' comments. IP can't.
Can you edit my message?
Yes I can. --~~~
You're autoconfirmed. It may be the threshold to have the rights to edit my message.
I hope that can be changed.
What would be your suggestion?
Maybe the same users that get to edit protected pages and system messages.
Be able to edit others' message is possible on unstructured wikitext talk pages. At least here, IP and not auto-confirmed users are prevented to edit.
For now, Structured Discussions are in maintenance mode. There is no strong development scheduled.
Can someone enlighten me to why there are two mechanisms of deletion: hide and delete?
As an admin, I find it very confusing when someone hides a post; it seems like it is deleted but can be retrieved by any user and unhidden. I've often seen users hiding posts (mistakely or otherwise) - surely that's not intended?
The FAQ page mentions that hide is supposed to emulate the undo function, but doing that is more prompted and quickly revertible. Also, for us admins, hide and undo are the same thing.
Hide is accessible to any logged-in user. It allows people to hide comments that are not welcomed or offensive.
Delete allows admin to delete the post, like for an article. There is also a Suppress link, only for oversights.
Why is the option to hide comments given to all users? Shouldn't that be restricted to admins (or at least rollbackers)? P.S: All users (even anons) can hide flow posts.
I can't remember the reason why, but I can ask. It is something that may be reconsidered with good reasons.
It's normal in Wikipedia that in discussion pages every user can hide comments by other users. To the extend that's the intent of Structured Discussion to replace the status quo it makes sense to allow the existing behavior. (But you might put an option into Structured Discussion for the person who installs the plugin to set the rights and deactivate the feature when they don't like it)
When I reply to the last comment in a section, a new thread is started instead of adding a sub-comment. Maybe there is a way to do it, but I don't know how.
Sorry for the late reply.
Do you have this when logged-out? On which wiki do you experiment that?
What steps do you make?
I experience this in any wiki, for instance now, instead of created a nested comment when replying to your comment, it creates a comment on the same level.
Your reply is not a new thread. It is a reply. Like it is a reply on a lot of other websites.
Replies are not nested like they are on wiki when using wikitext. It helps readability by having all replies at the same level. Some people like that system, some others don't.
A consultation around talk pages will happen in a few weeks. It would be the best place to share what you like or dislike concerning the different discussion systems that exist or would exist.
The way I see it is different. Inside each thread there can be many sub-threads, when I reply to a the last sub-thread, the reply should be nested, as it happens when I reply to a sub-thread that is not the last one. If I want to start a different sub-thread, that should be optional, not the default. Otherwise the meaning is lost when other people reply to comments that happened before the last one, and then there is no way of knowing to who the last person was replying to.
Looking forward to the consultation!
I can't seem to find this information available on any of the help pages, just that you can follow individual topics.
If a user creates a page, do they automatically follow all structured disccusion topics created afterwards or do they have to regularly check the talk page to see if someone has created a topic?
Anyone with an account can monitor:
- the whole page - you get a notification for every topic created (not replies)
- a topic - you get a notification for every reply in that particular topic
The documentation you were looking after is here. :)
The WMF should focus on cleaning up the mess left behind from the failed LQT and Flow experiments before it starts yet another experiment that is doomed to fail under the new name "Structured Discussions".
No reply whatsoever?
They never admit this project is a failure, why would they reply?
Aren't Flow and Structured Discussions two names for the same thing?
Bonjour, je suis incapable de trouver le contenu de ma page de discussion personnelle et donc les différentes sections...
Une aide en français possible SVP ??? ou en anglais pour un "non informaticien"... !!!
D'avance merci, Guy,~~~~
Bonjour
Quel est précisément le souci ? Avez-vous converti votre page de discussion pour utiliser les Données Structurées ? Si oui, comme indiqué lors de l'activation, les discussions existantes en wikitexte sont déplacées dans une archive. Désactiver cette fonctionnalité déplacera le flux de discussion Discussions Structurées dans une sous-page et désarchivera la page de discussion précédente. En savoir plus sur l’activation.
La majorité des pages d'aide concernant les discussions structurées sont disponibles en français.
@Guy6631: Fixé. Voir: fr:Discussion_utilisateur:Guy6631 "Consulter la version archivée de cette page": fr:Discussion_utilisateur:Guy6631/Archive_1
This is another case of Flow's complicated unholy-hack producing bizarre random problems. There was absolutely nothing wrong here, except that Flow didn't render the page properly.
Here is what the user saw in their Flow page header.
Here is their Flow page header after I made an edit to it, and reverted the edit.
Not only is Flow broken, not only did Flow break the revert button, but the broken revert button fixed the broken page. And you wonder why people hate Flow?
@Guy6631, le problème venait d'un modèle qui n'a pas été renommé par la communauté.
If we are trying to created new section on user talk page where user has enabled structured discussion It is not possible to create new section.
Code:
$page = $wiki->getPage($userName);
$page->setText("Text", 'new');
I am using https://github.com/hamstar/Wikimate and it works for normal talk page.
Then it needs an update to work for structured discussion, because an API for flow already exists.
Ok Thanks
The first thing you linked to uses something called MessagePoster, which is a nice feature that lets you post to a talk page without knowing if it's a normal talk page or a Flow page; it figures out and does the right thing. Unfortunately, MessagePoster only exists in JS; a version for PHP has been worked on, but it's not ready yet.
If you're trying to post to a Flow page from PHP, I think the best way to do that would be to use an internal API call to call the new-topic API in Flow.
Is it possible to show structured discussions like a comments, in article's footer?
I'm not aware of how to do that with Structured Discussions, but you might find this extension helpful: Extension:Commentbox
It might not be exactly what you're looking for, but it does allow for comments at the bottom of an article.
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At the moment, that's not possible.