2017 wikitext editor/Feedback

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Post your feedback about using the first iteration of the 2017 wikitext editor as a Beta Feature. While you can disable it by unchecking the New wikitext mode checkbox in your Preferences (Beta tab), the Contributors team welcomes your feedback and ideas, especially on user interface decisions and the priorities for adding new features. All comments are read, in any language, but personal replies are not guaranteed: the team will try and go through reports here at least once a week. Need more attention? Report directly in Phabricator. You can learn how to structure well your submission.

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Disabling keyboard shortcuts

Majavah (talkcontribs)

Hi all. I regularly use Ctrl+number to change tabs but the 2017 wikitext editor (and VE, for that matter) steals those shortcuts for something else. Is there a way to disable those shortcuts in 2017WTE?

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)
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а где авто-викификатор? может он где-то и спрятан - не нашел

Sagivrash (talkcontribs)
Браузер: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/81.0.4044.138 Safari/537.36

URL-адрес: https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Template%3AArticle+wizard%2Fskeletonperson&editintro=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F%3A%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80+%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9%2F%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8&title=%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BC_%D0%A2%D1%85%D1%8E%D0%B8&create=%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C+%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%8E

Jack who built the house (talkcontribs)

If you open ru:Ким Тхюи and then click "Create source" ("Создать код"), you will see Wikificator in the hamburger menu. By the link, you won't see it, partly because the URL has "action=edit", not "veaction=editsource", partly because Wikificator doesn't have time to load before VisualEditor does. (talkcontribs)

Tx. I know how to find it in classical source-edit mode, but I cant`t find it in beta-mode.

IKhitron (talkcontribs)

You've got the answer about 2017 Editor.

Jack who built the house (talkcontribs)


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ԱշոտՏՆՂ (talkcontribs)

I like this editor very much. But there is something that prevents me from switching to it. The font size is too small for me. For the usual editor I can increase it with something like this #wpTextbox1 { font-size: 15px; } (in my common.css). It doesn't work for 2017 Wikitext Editor. I tried with .ve-ce-branchNode selector but something overwrites that code. Is there any way to increase the font size?

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Insert citation not working?

Levivich (talkcontribs)

Yesterday, I noticed the insert citation function stopped working. It generates the cite from a URL without a problem as normal, but when I click "insert", an empty dialogue box appears, then quickly disappears, and the cite is not inserted. This happens on Chrome and Edge browsers, I haven't tried any others. Inserting a citation in VE mode still works without a problem. Sorry if this is the wrong place to report and thanks for looking into it.

Pelirojopajaro (talkcontribs)

I'm having the same problem. Also with inserting templates. Using Firefox and chrome in visual and source editing modes.

リトルスター (talkcontribs)

I'm also having the same problems for several days. Also with inserting templates. Using Edge(Chromium ) in visual and source editing modes. (I often edit Wikipedia.)

Zefr (talkcontribs)

Same problem which has existed for about 4 days. Sudden change and nuisance not to have this feature. Have reset my preferences to default, then selectively checked and tried different settings in my sandbox, with no resolution of the problem. Bug? ~~~~

Asterix757 (talkcontribs)

Same problem here ! On Chrome.

Tamir Kalman (talkcontribs)

Same problem on Hebrew Wikipedia, using Chrome and Edge.

Levivich (talkcontribs)

As of today, it's working normally for me again, on Chrome.

リトルスター (talkcontribs)

Me too on Japanese Wikipedia Edge(Chromium) :D

Asterix757 (talkcontribs)

Working today again. Thanks

Tamir Kalman (talkcontribs)

Working for me again too on Hebrew Wikipedia. Thanks.

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Problems for Teahouse Hosts and Admins on en-wiki

Nick Moyes (talkcontribs)

Yesterday, I was prompted by an Editing News update sent out by @Whatamidoing (WMF) to try out this editor. I'd not done so before, but soon had to disable it.

The first problem related to template alerts continually blocking much of the editing page. I'm pretty active at the Teahouse on English Wikipedia.there, where we have a template to steer users how to ask questions. Having to be manually dismiss this every time soon became very annoying.

The second problem might only be encountered by admins, but it's impossible to go to a previously deleted page and to click the links on the top left of the page to 'View or restore deleted edits' or the 'abuse log' link. Both links are visible, but are greyed out and non-functional.

I realise both issues are not going to be regarded by most users, but I'm afraid I regard them sufficient annoying that I would not want to try using the editor again unless I knew there's a way to avoid them recurring.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

The first one bugs me at WT:MED. Click [Edit source], hit Escape to get rid of the edit notice, click back in the box (because the Escape button makes it lose focus), and now I can finally type something. One of the things that I like about the Talk pages project/replying project is that the quick Reply tool ignores those edit notices.

The second doesn't sound familiar. I'm not an admin, so I can't reproduce it. Could you please check it again in safemode, and ping me with a note about whether that makes any difference?

Nick Moyes (talkcontribs)

OK, so since posting, I've discovered that I didn't need to manually dismiss the template notice by clicking the 'x', and that a simple mouseclick anywhere else on the page cleared the notice - so that is far less of a troublesome issue than I had first thought. I'm OK to let that one go, and it seems to function in the same way in desktop view on a mobile

The admin issue is still present in safe mode. And the 'view or restore deleted edits' link is greyed out when using both Chrome and Firefox with the default Vector skin. It might be worth me noting that, as the page loads (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Broken_Drum_(pub)&action=edit&redlink=1&safemode=1) I initially see the two links coloured their normal, dark hyperlink blue for a fraction of a second, and then they grey out as loading finishes. If you feel it would be helpful to get further feedback, I could ask at en:WP:AN for other admins to check it out.

Oh, and another thing I've just noticed: I am unable to preview a page I'm about to edit (using my normal keystrokes of Alt-Shift-P) unless I have already made some kind of edit to that page. I regularly click 'edit source' and then immediately Preview the page before I start making any edits just to check how the page appears prior to me working on it. Having to add a space and then delete that space in order to activate page preview is quite unhelpful in my opinion. Can we get rid of that requirement?

Majavah (talkcontribs)

I can also reproduce the issue with viewing deleted edits on the beta cluster and can confirm it is annoying. WAID: If you want I can give you admin rights there, just let me know what your username is there.

Majavah (talkcontribs)

Also as a workaround I can use "Edit notices" dropdown to view deleted edits but it's an extra click, link to abuse log isn't there and it is confusing to have non-clickable text that looks clickable.

Nick Moyes (talkcontribs)

@Whatamidoing (WMF) As well as the issue added to my post above, I've found another thing, and this one's REALLY BIG for me, and I was unsure whether to start a new thread about it. I suspect others have already commented on it, though I haven't checked.

I've now been using this editor for a couple of days solid, today I was editing, tweaking and testing various welcome message templates in my sandbox. I found it SO irritating that I can't see the wikitext and the previewed content on the same page at once. Why not?

I can now no longer simply move the slider up and down to see the effect of my edits - which previously gave me the previewed text set directly above the wikimarkup text. My 'workflow' - as you WMF folk like to say - is made much more circuitous than in normal source editor mode. I now have to preview to see the potential changes, then (if I don't like them) I have to click left to go back to the previous screen, and I then have to actively cancel the 'Summary' screen (this one doesn't disappear with a mouse click) before I can see and edit the source code again. In source editor, I simply moved the right-side slider up and down to see the differences. I think this is going to be far more of a game changer for me than all the other comments above, and will force me to abandon the 2017 wikitext editor. But I will keep on trying and see what else I find, because I do think the mixture or source edit and visual editor potentially very interesting, and well-worth exploring further.  

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Nick, this is not an uncommon complaint. Do you mostly need to check/re-check in articles, or when replying to a comment?

Nick Moyes (talkcontribs)

That's a great question that got me really thinking hard about how I work. Whilst I use page preview all the time (for articles, replies & template tweaking), I think it's actually when replying/interacting with other users that Preview Changes needs to be quick and slick. It's easy to mistype and thus cause miscommunication, so a hasty preview before publishing is invaluable. Despite that, I still rush at times, and then spot my error later - sometimes much later, or not at all.

So, typing Alt-Shift-P prior to tying Alt-Shift-S is a speedy way to check layout and content. Oh, the times I've missed a colon off, and my reply would have continued on the previous line, or I'd missed off my signature had I not Previewed Changes and spotted my sloppiness. Page Preview in source editor that is already one extra step that far too many people omit, and thus create accidental errors, so anything that makes us all more reluctant to check our edits is obviously a retrograde step.

Yesterday, I was tweaking templates and experimenting with simple coding in my sandbox with the new 2017 editor in VE(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nick_Moyes/sandbox2). Not being able to quickly compare by modified code with my work's appearance on the same page was pretty frustrating, to be frank (especially as I'm not very good at it). You can view my edit history, but I can assure you that for every one 'save' I must have made 5 to 10 Previews, with all the clicking left that this entailed. But tweaking templates is a minor thing, whereas being able to easily make clear, properly laid out replies to other editors is essential to the project. So it's replies where I think my concern would mostly lie.

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Discarding "recovered" changes

Pere Orga (talkcontribs)
Agent d'usuari: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/83.0.4103.106 Safari/537.36

I want to discard changes that I had locally in the editor and were never published. I expected to do it closing the browser window, but these were "recovered" after reloading the page. There is a message saying that the changes were recovered, but I don't see an option in the user interface to discard them.

I even tried to log-out. The changes are always there. Seems a very obvious UX issue to me.

Pere Orga (talkcontribs)
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Has this been deployed as default? Plus, signature bug

Wikimandia (talkcontribs)

Apparently this is now the only option? I can't get it to go away. I wouldn't mind if it didn't have bugs. For example, when starting a new section on a talk page and trying to use the signature button (four tilde button), it puts the signature in the subject line box, no matter how many times I move the cursor to the text box.(see screenshot: https://imgur.com/g39n9JX) ~~~~

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)
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Cannot see the list of Pages (i.e. templates) transcluded onto a page (i.e. article)

BoldLuis (talkcontribs)

When I am editing with source code (pre-2017 wikitext) editor (editing and clicking onto preview button), I can see the message:

Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page (help):

And a list of the templates used in the page I am editing (in the article).

But, when using source code (2017 wikitext) editor, I cannot see nor the message, nor the template under it.

This is very important to go to the templates, a see how to use them when editing an article, for example, and other uses.

On the other hand, Mediawiki.org says I are not logged and appears a button (Add topic anonymously), when I really am (I can see my Username in my Userpage. Finally, I could do it, relogin in Mediawiki.org.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Go to the three-bars menu (☰, near the big blue button) and choose "Templates used" from the menu.

When MediaWiki is confused about whether you're logged in, then the solution is often to log out (deliberately) and log back in.

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Piranha249 (talkcontribs)

Will it be possible to select multiple text through the ctrl button (I'm using Windows) in the near future?

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Do you mean that you read a sentence – "One two three four five" – and you want to select "One four five", skipping over the middle?

I have not heard them talking about this, so I don't think it will happen in the near future.

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Wikipedia how to add main and auxiliary directories, how to add Wikipedia internal links

Wlchunxiaodi (talkcontribs)

Wikipedia how to add main and auxiliary directories, how to add Wikipedia internal links

Camouflaged Mirage (talkcontribs)

Hello, what you mean by main / axuiliary? For internal links, use [[Link Page]]. Thanks

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talkcontribs)
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