MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group/Meetings/2014-11-07 Telco

Purpose

Welcome - Mark
State of projects
1. Feature wishlist - Richard
2. Roadmap
3. Publicizing 1.24 - Cindy
Lightweight environmental scan and outcomes - Alexis
1. "Who are customers of MediaWiki?"
2. List of top feature requests
3. List of top bug fixes
Decision on name of user group
1. Former names: Wiki Co-op, MediaWiki Cooperation
2. Member-suggested names: MediaWiki Collaborators, Group that Wishes to Not be Named, MediaWiki Users Group, Stakeholder Cooperation, MediaWiki Stakeholder Cooperation, MediaWiki Stakeholders, MediaWiki Fans, MediaWiki Devotees
3. Affcom-suggested: MediaWiki Cooperation User Group
4. Decision?
Future Meetings
1. Coordinate with releases (see Proposed Future Meeting Dates below)
2. Hangout options for more than 10 attendees
Future conferences
1. Wikimania 2015 (July 15-19), Mexico City
2. European Hackathon in France TBD
3. US Hackathon Developer Summit (invitation only)
4. SMWCon Spring 2015, TBD
5. SMWCon Fall 2015, TBD
Other
Closing - Mark

Regular meetings will be held on every first Friday of the month.

User Group Meeting Dates
2016-05-06 (Friday)
2016-06-03 (Friday)
2016-07-01 (Friday)
2016-08-05 (Friday)
2016-09-02 (Friday)
2016-09-28 (during SMWCon Fall 2016 in Frankfurt)
2016-10-07 (Friday)
2016-11-04 (Friday)
2016-12-02 (Friday)

Mark: Welcome
Jean-Baptise: French MW, invited one week ago, here as a tourist, how I can help, have small active wikis
Matt (in shared room and can't talk)
Mark: Welcome Karsten

one guy said don't need templates

some people need basic framework as a first step

if need more there probably will be extension suites / distributions for different use cases?

What is next step? Need discussion: Who are the people we are working with?

Opinion of Siebrand (from last meeting) is great

Will make suggestion for next meeting but depends on discussion today

Mark: roadmap, next part which feature is necessary
Cindy: our experience is opposite, we don't start with blank slate of empty wiki
Richard: right, if you want to start...if you come from architecture, it would be helpful to have basic and then add modules like plugin, in future we will see certain additions like SM and enterprise and other setups
Cindy: one solution does not fit all, basic and lots of richness in extensions
Darren: True enough about one size does not fit all. One thing I might say is that Scribunto might be useful to appear there - an increasing number of templates are starting to use lua and so it might be useful there before we consider things like minimal template sets
Karsten: not clear to people that they can do more than editing,
Mark: synthesizing, MW is modular but not intuitive modular, you have to know what you want to do and have experience or hand-holding, hope to make it easier to users

Darren: yes, though some care needed as it's possible to run up against some issues with hosting (if you're not hosting fully under your own control), like compat php versions etc.
Cindy: new item identify about common CSS no longer being loaded, new wrinkle to 1.24 may affect users, Mark any progress?
Mark: twitter handle to retweet, Quim is in charge of social stuff and we need to coordinate with him
Cindy: Tweet and tag and they retweet?
Mark: Yes. We may also have to go out of band and ask Quim to retweet, I will post a link to the workflow

Mark: made mistake by saying Java script was included in when it is not, only CSS, I will merger Kunal's patch today to fix that

Mark: Fix for CSS styling problem, Chris appreciates flag but won't stop it from going in

Alexis: environmental scan and outcomes, things the release team is working on, three outcomes listed on agenda
Mark: help gather information in installer to sign up for MW announcement mailing list, we want to set up web-based survey, will talk about this on mailinglist today, what do you all think? Link to survey in installer: positive or negative?
Richard: we have tried to get user feedback in our group
Siebrand: get questions right, if you change questions it is hard to assess questions over time (last year to this year), worth thinking for two or three months longer, important to ask right questions (vs asking too many questions), think about hypotheses you want answer, yes/no, be careful of open-ended questions, five point questions, use answers as numbers as scores, lots of very easy tricks
Mark: will ask for your help

Cindy: audience, installer will get new users installing, survey designed: who you target will color responses
Siebrand: special version, really think about what would happen if 1500 users jump on link
Richard: previous suggestion: ask people about rating extension and combine, ask "What do you have already", or "What is special"?

Future meetings would be more fruitful if they coordinated with future releases. (once a month)
Saturday meetings to allow those who cannot attend during business work hours to attend.
Cindy: inclusive good to have Saturday
Karsten: Saturday once a quarter
Alexis: starting first Saturday of next year since we have had many Friday meetings?
Jean-Baptiste: January 3rd may not be good
Agreed: January 10th as first Saturday of the first quarter of 2015. One Saturday every quarter.
Mark: hangout limit is 10
Sieband: googleapps allows 15, $40 a year for account, I can schedule them and use in my domain; can use read-only version or can find another means; does anyone have experience RTC?
Mark: will talk to Mozilla if could piggyback on their servers
Siebarnd: Mozilla use web RTC
Mark will contact Mozilla and find out
Jean-Baptise: Is there another MW group?

Siebrand: yes, for core contributors,can get more information about US Hackathon Developer Summit, Hallo Welt! BlueSpice team contributes and should qualify, scholarship is closed but can still register

Mark: what is best chance for meeting at future conferences
Siebrand: European Hackathon in France is good opportunity
Cindy: I am looking to see where most people are going to be, France could be a good possibility
Mark: would France be good for JB and Karsten?
Jean-Baptiste: live in Paris so meeting in France should not be a problem, have wedding in June, don't worry about me
Karsten: Europe is much better shot
Mark: Matt, France would work for you?
Matt: highly doubtful
Mark: next meeting 11/5/2014, thank you and close
Close at 4:12PM UTC