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Italian text doesn't reflect user gender

CalendulaAsteraceae (talkcontribs)

The Italian text says "Questo utente" (masculine form of the adjective) for "This user" regardless of the user's gender, but if a user's gender is set to female it should say "Questa utente" (feminine form of the adjective), since "utente" can be masculine or feminine depending on the gender of the person it refers to (see en:wikt:utente). However, since "utente" begins with a vowel, it would also be correct to say "Quest'utente", avoiding the question of gender entirely, so I recommend changing the text to use this neutral form.

Dream Indigo (talkcontribs)

Thank you very much @CalendulaAsteraceae for speaking up about this problem. It's been a year, yet the text still uses the masculine form only. The Spanish template already changes based on the user's gender, which shows that the change is possible.

CalendulaAsteraceae (talkcontribs)

And thank you for reminding me of this issue! I've filed a bug report at task T365928.

CalendulaAsteraceae (talkcontribs)

@Dream Indigo: By filing this bug report, I learned that translations are handled through Translatewiki.net, which is mentioned on the main page but not very prominently. I have now fixed this issue on Translatewiki (e.g. translatewiki:User:CalendulaAsteraceae), and hopefully we'll see that change propagate here soon. If you spot any other issues with Italian translations, feel free to let me know!

Dream Indigo (talkcontribs)

Thank you so much @CalendulaAsteraceae! I am so happy that you solved the issue! Luckily, I haven't found any other problem so far. I have already fixed every other male-only userbox on it-wiki some months ago, but I needed the help of an expert like you to solve the Babel issue. Thanks again! I am really happy!

Pppery (talkcontribs)

New code, including translations, is deployed weekly between Tuesday and Thursday, with most Wikipedias getting it on Thursday. Unfortunately you missed the Week of May 26-31 deployment so your change should roll out with the Week of June 3-7 deployment.

Dream Indigo (talkcontribs)

@Pppery Thank you for letting us know, we'll be waiting patiently :)

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Removing MediaWiki:babel-footer-url removes the entire footer

Theknightwho (talkcontribs)

Hello - on English Wiktionary, we want the footer the footer to read:

Search user languages or scripts

As you can see, this links to two separate categories.

Unfortunately, if there's any content in MediaWiki:babel-footer-url it tries to create a link with the whole text (which obviously doesn't work properly), and if you remove the content from MediaWiki:babel-footer-url then the footer doesn't display at all.

This feels like an oversight, so could it please be fixed?

Pppery (talkcontribs)

This should probably be reported to Phabricator instead of here.

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'Category:User xx' links

Mik (talkcontribs)

There is an inconsistency in different category links. English language points always to meta and other point to local wiki, e.g.:

  • [[m:Category:User en|English]]
  • [[Category:User fr|français]]
  • [[Category:User sp|español]]

I think it will be better that all links point to local wiki.

CalendulaAsteraceae (talkcontribs)

This is still the case on MediaWiki, but seems to have been fixed on other projects.

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Kinyarwanda translations are incorrect

Smashhoof (talkcontribs)

I'm not a native or fluent speaker of Kinyarwanda, but from my experience with the language, I can see that the translations are clearly incorrect. For example, the translation for rw-1 says "Uyu ukoresha agira ubumenyi bucye bw'icyongereza." Forgetting the incorrect grammar for the moment, it actually says "This user has little knowledge of English"! (Icyongereza = English language). The other mistakes are that it should be "Uyu mukoresha" (this user), and it should be "afite" instead of "agira" (gira is never used in present tense indicative). Since I'm not a native speaker I don't feel comfortable providing my own translations, but I did see someone else suggested some good translations a few years ago: Topic:Rnfb66lxtffpe2u4. (@Davykamanzi: you may be interested in this discussion.)

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Languages with no ISO code

Summary by Nikerabbit

Languages without ISO code can only be added locally in a wiki using templates.

Walter Klosse (talkcontribs)

Can we add languages that have no ISO-363 code, like toki-pona?

Base (talkcontribs)
Nikerabbit (talkcontribs)

You can, if you create such templates yourself, like Base explains above. Without a ISO code it won't be added to the Babel extension.

CyberTailor (talkcontribs)

Toki Pona has an ISO code now (search "iso 639-3 tok", i can't send links), so it should be added to MediaWiki.

Nikerabbit (talkcontribs)

This discussion is about Babel, not MediaWiki in general.

Category problems on English Wikipedia

Timrollpickering (talkcontribs)

Babel keeps populating some category redirects and clogging up the automatic redirect system. Attempts to fix these have run into problems with certain users who insist on revert corrections on their page and will not sort out the problem themselves.

Current redirects/red linked categories populated include:

Can the extension be amended to fix this or should the user objection be overriden? ~~~~

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Iniquity (talkcontribs)

@Kghbln Yes, it is included in wmf, but this extension is not supported by any developer or group.

Kghbln (talkcontribs)

Well, this is also true to some other extensions run on WMF wikis but in this case the language team takes care of it since it is part of MLEB.

Iniquity (talkcontribs)
Kghbln (talkcontribs)

Yeah, I also think this appears to be bulsh. I would think that one should either remove it from the bundle or do at least hot fixes. However the extension would create a really big fuss if it were not working on the foundation wikis so I still think this justifies the status as being maintained. I am sure somebody will do the hot fix.

Iniquity (talkcontribs)
Nikerabbit (talkcontribs)

I don't know where this thread got started, but a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/project:mediawiki%252Fextensions%252FBabel tells that the extensions is maintained.

That is not the same thing as someone officially listed as being maintainer of it. It seems that you are looking for active maintenance with PM and UX support, and that is hard to find even for better maintained extensions.

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Lens0021 (talkcontribs)

The Infobox says the extension does not change database, But I found It tries to create a table named as babel (See the source code). Is it a just typo I could fix?

Shirayuki (talkcontribs)
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Garuda3 (talkcontribs)

Hi all, just wondered if this extension is compatible with the Visual Editor, or if there are any plans to add functionality in the future? Thanks

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language level codes inconsistent

Calypso (talkcontribs)

I'm preparing my user page and having difficulties with my language levels. My English level is C2 according to the CEFR (Cambridge Proficiency), and that is considered near-native, which obviously means that I can work with it professionally. And yet, here near-native is 4, below professional performance (5)! I think it would be better to use a well-established scale like the CEFR, from A1 basic to C2 near native.

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